Jaded No More

I love that everytime we're in crisis, somehow supporters think that Garry Lyon will save us all. WTF?!

I honestly can't stand watching Brad Green at the moment. I don't know if it's fair and maybe I'm just looking for a scapegoat because I'm disgusted and angry, but even watching him being interviewed on Ch. 9 tonight, he seems so apathetic, so unattached, even his responses were half-hearted. Why does Jared Rivers have to face the media, when Green is the captain? It's embarrassing. If the rot starts from the head and we are going to remove the senior members of our footy department, than certainly we should remove the senior members of our footy team.

Yeah but not the president, and especially a president who is a bit busy with other stuff, like his charity organisation and you know, cancer.

I don't want to particularly get stuck into you, but WTF sort of message are those changes going to give the players? Bate fine, but Nicholson and Maric are inexperienced kids. They are not to blame for what happened yesterday. Every single player in the leadership group who played yesterday should get the boot this week, especially Brad Green. You cannot lose by 186 points and drop one fringe player and two kids and leave Green (1 disposal til half time), Moloney (0 disposals then subbed), Jamar (injured or not, he was poor), Rivers (talk is cheap) etc etc all in the team. You can argue that they need to redeem themselves, but I'd argue that I rather see us lose next week with a bunch of kids who actually want to play for this club, than win because these half hearted senior players are feeling the pressure to perform for a week. They embarrassed our club and the jumper, so they should be embarrassed by having to run around in the VFL for a week or two. When was the last time we showed some balls and dropped under performing senior players? It's like we are back in the days of Yze and Bruce getting easy games because the coach was too scared to drop them.

Absolutely. There is no doubt that he needs to go, but no coach can be solely blamed for a 186 point defeat. Even the worst coach with the worst match ups and tactics is not responsible for such a massive defeat. The players are 99% to blame for what happened yesterday.

It would have been better for Rivers to go with the 'no comment' option, because quite frankly I am sick of hearing the same old shite from our players after every poor performance. All I'm waiting for is Jones to Tweet about how many lessons they learnt from yesterday's defeat and how they can't wait to turn it around next week They all just need to shut the hell up and perform.

OK, but I think many of those things were also the result of our board working hard. Certainly it was them who drove the debt removal. I would think that the only reason our players would be unhappy is if they looked around at other clubs and saw the spend on the footy department was vastly different. Have a look at the imbalance of staff numbers between the footy department and the operations department and tell me why we need so many people working in operations when our main aim in life is to win games of footy. We should be spending big on the footy department, and if the players are seeing a bigger investment being made in off field matters, than of course they are unhappy. That of course does not justify performing like a pack of heartless gutless wimps, but it does explain why they would be unhappy and why Stynes and Co. want to remove Schwab. They probably feel that he has been spending our money in the wrong areas.

I'm a bit taken aback by all the support for Schwab. Unless you're involved with the club or are in the inner sanctum, how do you know if he's any good? It does worry me that our operations department is bigger than our footy department, that after being so vocal and proactive, both he and Connolly have gone quiet. Jim Stynes wouldn't have taken over as head of the footy department if something wasn't wrong. It's unheard of, and frankly pathetic, that a president has to get involved in the running of the footy department. I don't care that he's a former player with footy knowledge, it's not his job. He appointed these guys to look after the daily running of these departments and they have obviously failed him. Does this have a lot to do with the disgusting performance yesterday? I don't know, maybe not, but in times of crisis everyone gets found out and there is nowhere to hide. Bailey may well go, and the players may well be put on notice, but if there are bigger issues at play here, then I for one am glad they are being dealt with. Better than the usual trick of sweeping sh*t under the carpet, in the grand old tradition of this club.

I'm not surprised. I've heard this a while ago. He is gone for all money.

That image breaks my heart and it's the first thing I actually felt other than numbness and disgust since yesterday. It makes me want to cry when I think how hard this kid works only for his teammates to get destroyed.

Worst.Day.Ever. Wine shall be my salvation tonight!

When was the last time a captain led his team to a 186 point defeat, with 1 handball in the first half, topped off by yelling at a kid and smirking through his press conference. [censored] off, I don't care if it's never been done before, it has to start now. I already said it at half time, but if Bailey and Green are both at the G next week, I won't be. And that will be the first time in 13 years that I am going to deliberately miss a game of footy in Melbourne.

Out: Green In: Bartram

Absolutely pushed me over the edge that. Thank god for friends and alcohol. I need to step away from this right now

We were flooding the defence with Jurrah and Watts at the 5 minute mark of the first quarter.

There are better ways to go about getting rid of the coach than humiliating the club, the jumper and the supporters. The fish always rots from the head. If our leadership is non existent, than we will never amount to anything. McKenzie is more a leader than Green.

is absolutely sh!t. Discuss. Brad Green's post match interview was as shameful as his on field behaviour today. Yelling at Nicholson for not passing him the ball. What wonderful captaincy.

One small snippet of Green post match and I feel ill again. WIPE THE STUPID SMILE OFF YOUR FACE, NOBODY IS LAUGHING!!!!

The Tom Scully saga will take a backseat for at least one week!

I'm numb. I think crying is better. I actually don't care anymore.

He was on the bench a lot early on. I hope, for his sake, that he got injured in the first minute of the match, because FMD that was the most woeful performance from a vice captain. His zero disposals are a notch behind Green's 1 handball and 1 teammate abuse in the first half.

He is a reason for me to keep supporting this club. I love him and he is one of, if not my favourite players, because he has what we dearly miss as a whole, heart. We lost most of our heart when James McDonland left, and it's good to know that Jordie has brought some of that back. Shameful really that he has so few mates.

I actually don't think we should be doing votes this week. McKenzie should get 6 and that's it.

There is no doubt in my mind that Bailey is only half the problem, and our leadership or lack thereof is another. However, from the first bounce, Bailey was done. Jurrah on Bartel? Watts down back as soon as we conceded 2 goals? Frawley on Mooney? Trying to play through the corridor when they were killing us on the rebound? And I didn't even watch the second half, so who knows what the hell else went wrong in there. At the end of the day, Bailey and his entire coaching panel cannot survive this and shouldn't. The same goes for Green, who should be immediately stripped of his captaincy.