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I heard he said to Jimmy he hadn’t made up his mind, I think Jimmy basically asked him, “are you gone?” I’m not necessarily defending him and only a few really know what was said but just as GWS put a lot of pressure on a really young man so did we. We were a very different and amateurly run club back then.

I’m not sure how the trade period works but I’d be very happy for Mahoney to refuse to sit down with Freo after today. Remove any possibility of them getting Hogan now.

It doesn’t sound like his currency is particularly high, I must admit it would be strange seeing him back at the club but the moment he wears red and blue he’s one of us. And as a secondary layer (not something he’d be worried about but for the supporters), how about some redemption? FWIW I never had any ill feelings towards him, he was a kid being courted with stupid money and his dad in his ear telling him to go. We weren’t in a good place at the time and the pressure was on him to be our star. He suits a need, if it happens the Dees fans need to get over any issues they might have. I would however want to FD to ask the leadership group first what they think.

I’m not sure what people are talking about with other clubs, it was Freo or us. Freo have overplayed their hand and I hope Jesse and his manager are so angry that they tell them to get f—ked and not call again. Bell’s a proper idiot.

Must admit, I’m 100% in the same boat. He’s a gun forward, end of story. We are still yet to see his full potential, I would personally have him as a high CHF/forward flanker. I also suggested that we train some defensive capabilities into both he and Weiderman to give them the ability to swing them back. TMac we already can play defensively if needs be so let’s make all of the swing men and suit our needs match by match. Also West Coast showed that with the right game plan you can play with multiple big men in the team.

I believe the biggest challenge with May will now be getting a deal done with GC.

I know this might sound lame but I reckon it’d be good for the Dees fans to show support for Jesse on his social media accounts. Tell him we’re happy he’s staying a Demon we can’t wait to see what he produces in 2019 (and hopefully beyond).

Honestly I think if they have turned down 5+23 then I want to thanks them. I would’ve been extremely pizzed off if we’d accepted that. Only way that gets done IMO is if they throw in their future second rounder as steak knives.

It’s only early here in London but I had a gut feeling something had changed and I had to have a look. What I’d love for the club to do is when Jesse gets back from his holidays to have a meeting with him and tell him how pathetic Freo were to deal with and that they clearly don’t rate him as highly as we do. We should then put a contract in front of him for at least two more years but I would love it to be a long term contract so Freo never get their grubby little hands on him. You’re an idiot Bell.

Actually sorry you're right, I think the deal was basically agreed a upon and it was Fergburger that said no.

I wouldn't be totally against Tyson for Preuss, we need a decent back up ruckman to take the pressure off Max and Braydon is the best option out there. Maybe we could try to bargain for a swap of picks to improve our position somewhere in the draft even if it's just third rounder or something.

The only time I can recall a player doing that was Brad Sewell (ironically Hawks as well) when he was going to be traded for Ryan Ferguson. It's a tough position for the player because you'd coached by the bloke that tried to get rid of you. Still worked alright for Sewell and unfortunately not us.

When you consider what we gave up for Garlett he's been fantastic value. But that's what these trade of experienced players can do sometimes, look at Dunn at the Pies. Gone for all money with us but has found his place among the Collingwood backline, I was genuinely gutted for him the he got injured and missed the finals. If the saints get a serviceable player then it's a win for them, I actually think if he'd stayed with us and been injury free I could've seen him playing 15+ games next year but I with where we're at there wasn't much job security with him.

Our leading goal kicker? No thanks I'm happy to keep him forward.

Even if WC could satisfy a trade I’m not sure how they would fit him in. They’re already very top heavy and while that worked this year I don’t know how you’d add Hogan into that mix. Interesting that another team may have entered the mix, if it’s Victorian and Hogan is considering it any goodwill I’d have towards the bloke would be shattered. I understand a desire to get home, surely it’s Perth or stay at Melbourne.

Wanting to go home but having love for the club and the players aren’t mutually exclusive. Have a listen to what the boys said about him at the B&F, they all said no matter what happens Jesse will always have mates at the club and they love him. I’m sure there’ll be words said but they are professionals and they’ll get on with the job. Plus should he remain a demon he’d surely see it as one of his best chances to win a premiership.

Hasn’t played much footy in recent years due to form and injury. We were never going to get much for him. Good deal for the saints and sadly we lose a decent fringe player.

If the Neale trade fails, then the Hogan trade fails. That’s the way I read it. Unless Freo can find something else to satisfy us with (established player of some sorts) then pick 11 as a starting point will not get the trade done. We can and should dig our heels in.

Jesse has done amazing things for his age and has massive upside and potential still to be realised. But as a player in the here and now I can understand Wingard being talked up more as he’s a proven performer. That said pick 11 and a future second round pick is insulting not only to us but to Jesse. Of course it’s posturing but if you’re playing poker you always have to be careful not to overplay your hand. I feel like they’re in danger of doing that now. Pick 5 and 11 is what we should be saying is our final offer and stick to it. I don’t know what people are getting flustered about potentially having him on the list next year. I’m happy for us to hold onto him if needs be and who know Freo’s pathetic dealings might spur his position towards them.

Hehe two can play the PR game ? thanks Gaz!

Depends on whether what’s being said in the news is close to the truth. There are some reporting that we have softened on the idea of a second high draft pick going so far to suggest a pick 5 plus a low second rounder would get the job done. I’m hoping that’s pure speculation because if true that is disgraceful and should never be entertained. If we lose Hogan we MUST be coming out the other side saying “oh well it sucks but we’ve been given an amazing deal”. I will be very annoyed with Mahoney if he drops the two first round picks deal. We should be bargaining hard for 5 + 12 and below. We can send back a second or third rounder if they want but I don’t like the idea of us swapping future first round picks next year. We have to be willing to walk away from the table if they don’t satisfy us.

Given the limited time he had in match fitness before coming back in his impact was fantastic. A full pre-season could see him become an important part of our engine room. Glad to have you on board AvB!

Future 3rd round pick? Sounds like an absolute steal to me.

And what if having May this means the difference to our defence being solid enough to win the premiership in 2019. I’m willing to back us getting him could make that difference and therefor worth it.

Because this is likely our best opportunity to get him and it will help us in the short term for our premiership chances in 2019. Collingwood we’re into him big time this year and if we don’t get him now we going into a FA dogfight.