Demon17

3 hours ago, hardtack said:

I think you'll find that it balances absolutely nothing for us Sydney or Hobart based members who are essentially paying a lot of money to watch the games on TV.

Fair comment and I hear you Hardtack.

I was obviously meaning I can't remember ever winning at either Hobart or Sydney venues, whereas as I have seen all recent wins in Adelaide and that could continue hopefully.

2 hours ago, Demonland said:

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2017-10-31/melbournes-2018-fixture-announced

2018 Melbourne fixture

Round 3, Saturday, April 7, North Melbourne, MCG, Home, 2:10pm, Foxtel

 

 

Round 21, Sunday, August 12, Sydney Swans, MCG, Home, 3:20pm, Seven

 

Round 23, TBC, GWS Giants, MCG, Home, TBC, TBC

No Hobart and no Sydney - Swans and GWS both in Melb.

That balances some of the other bad news well IMO. 

8 hours ago, mo64 said:

As expected, a fair amount of time spent on the Jack Watts trade. Here's a few points:

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- There was only 1 club seriously interested in him, and that was PA. Geelong's offer would have made the supporters livid. And based on his football record to date, we couldn't expect a 1st round pick.

- We are paying about 15% of his contract over 2 years, which works out to $75,000 per year. Suggested that the deal wouldn't have got done without that.

 

Audio here: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode/?id=149541

He was stronger than the above on Watts. He said only 1 club interested, then followed up with "...that tells you something..."

On 19/10/2017 at 5:03 PM, sydneydee said:

Terrible trade week for us. 

I am still filthy at the Watts trade for a packet of chips.

Seriously? .

1 team wanted watts. Geelong lost interest.  What does that tell us.? Good call by the club. 

8 minutes ago, rpfc said:

I didn't mean to confuse you - if we finish in the bottom 4, the draft pick we gave up will be worth much more than what we are currently projecting.

If I thought we were going to finish in the bottom 4, I would not have intimated there are no excuses for not competing for the flag next year.

Therefore, that trade being 'measured' is dependent on how we go next year because top draft picks are more valuable than draft picks that are further down the draft order.

Does that follow?

yes it does.  and I agree, but the issue for me is the " what if..." 

The club clearly have a strong view on list quality which I agree with. No finals next year will be a bigger disaster than 2017

7 minutes ago, rpfc said:

I guess that is me?

 

I was about to give my obligatory 'Teenage Lottery Draft of the AFL' line so I say 'well done, Josh!'

It will only blow up in our faces if we finish in the bottom 4...

As for Goodwin; he has done well to convince Lever to come to a team that has done nothing. Kudos also to Viney, Mahoney, et al.

'Goody' now has an excellent collection of talent at his disposal in my opinion for 2018 and beyond. We have star defenders in Hibberd, Jetta, and Lever. Star mids in Oliver and Petracca, with excellent help from Viney and Jones. And a forward line with Hogan, McDonald and Garlett can create enough chances to kick enough goals.

We are in 'hashtag noexcuses' territory.

And the sky might fall too.  Confusing post.  We have a great list , and strong backlines win flags,  but "...if we finish bottom 4..."

1 hour ago, green_machine said:

Lever deal was not over.  Lever is a top 5 pick in all the recent drafts.

If he went into the national draft we had

North melbourne, carlton, st kilda, collingwood all ahead of us at pick 10 and given free agent speculation at least two of those clubs with more salary space than us

Lever was never getting to us via the draft and both Melbourne/Adelaide knew it.

Picks 10 & 6 to 14 next year looks reasonable.   Given exposed form I rate Lever as being worth at least pick 4.  No team would trade pick 4 for two teen picks.

We got a good deal

Agree. Terry Wallace did an excellent review on SEN late today describing the whole points process of draft positions values  and methodically worked through the Lever deal.  A good deal both teams in his opinion.  Further he emphasised the view that this rounds out what a finals list now looks like.  The club have the faith from hereon.

Mahoney and recruiters know what they are doing.

29 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said:

B: Hibberd. O,McD  Jetta

HB: Lever Frost  Hunt

C : Jones  Oliver  Lewis

HF :Petracca  Hogan Garlett

FF ANB  T.McD   Harmes

Foll :Gawn  Tyson  Viney

I/C :Vince Pedo Melky  Salem

 

 

Bingo - ish!

But what does this say about depth too , missing ABrayshaw, AVDB, Maynard, Hannan ?

10 minutes ago, MikeAlphaTango said:

Rapt to get Lever, we have some serious young talent now Lever, Hunt, Oliver and Petracca in the AFLPA Under 22 team.

We can revisit who won this trade in 5 years time.

A really sensible post and an insight into Mahoney's thinking.  As said earlier, they are backing in the talent there now, topping up, allowing Tom Mac flexibility and saying again - destination club..  This stat from MikeAlpha says we have pro rata 4 times as many good Under 22's than we should on average.

Mission accomplished. Beating yourselves up over picks or whatever is meaningless and not how business gets done in real life.

A key message there I reckon.

2 hours ago, rpfc said:

A few things have been bugging me this season, don't get me wrong - I have enjoyed the march back to relevance - but there have been some odd missteps and frustrating emanations from the club that won't be solved by Jack Watts being traded...

The Vacuum of Goodwin

Then there are the more complicated aspects to his persona that I wish he would address, I know he doesn't flame any bad narratives when he speaks - he hardly says anything when he speaks -

 

 

 

 

A terrific article. Thanks RPFC.

But as an aside, I hark back to Goodwin's press conference after the Carlton game when he spoke brilliantly and with feeling about his thoughts on culture and what he expects. I think he has what we need, and will develop.

After last night its official. Presumably gil will announce an enquiry on monday. ?  Oh wait.  Its the afl we're talking about here.

2 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

3 goals 1 and 7 goals 5 in his first two seasons isn't a bad return for someone who runs at blistering pace.

Hunt often bombs long to the hot spot in front of the goal square at an angle from the wing. It doesn't help his kicking efficiency stats but is does bring the ball quickly into the forward line and help our scoring.

Hunt kicked what should be goal of the year from the wing after the siren with a perfectly crafted torpedo. Poor kicks simply can't do that.

Poor disposal from Hunt is the biggest myth on demonland.

Parallel universe.   The runs look great but uhtil there is consistent reliable targetting all they are is spectacular. He needs finals standard disposal. I dont care about the torp goal. Once in a lifetime and doesn't win games.

15 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

Sicily and Rioli ahead of Tracca.

Comedy gold.

Comedy re: Hunt also:  So not being able to hit a target or nail a running open goal isn't a pre-requisite for selection?  Interesting.

18 hours ago, McQueen said:

It was good to hear from the coach. As usual it was a measured approach but one that he obviously needed the time to analyse and put into words. 

I just hope like hell that this years lesson acts as an incredible catalyst for the whole FD and players. We need to move past the 'lost opportunity' phase and form the mindset of being a ruthless juggernaut for next season.

 

I think he makes good points on analysis, noting the warning signs were there in Round 15 and onwards.  Citing the St Kilda fast start but nearly blown, as with Port Adelaide game. 

Knows there is work to do but the foundation is there. The timing of the message was appropriate - no one wanted to hear these messages earlier in the week.

And about just getting to finals is not good enough, its about winning them. I liked that.  I doesn't make me feel better but with our line up we would have been creamed this weekend.

On ‎1‎/‎09‎/‎2017 at 7:26 PM, beelzebub said:

Been an interesting read..Wise/Jnr discussion on the starts. As always theres something to learn and take away.

So just as an interesting exercise I thought  Id look at all our games and just suppose  we were equal after qtr time..  or iow...lets dismiss the 1st qtr and see how the season would pan out if we just looked at the last 3/4 throught the year

 

game  1   melb v saints   16.9  v 6.4  WIN    game 2   melb v carl   10.8 v 7.8  WIN   game 3  melb v geel  11.15 v 15.4  LOSS

game  4   melb v  fero    13.9  v  13.8  WIN   game 5   melb v  rich   8.5 v 9.15  LOSS   game 6  melb v  ess  15.6 v  8.12  WIN

game  7  melb v  haw   13.6 v  9.6   WIN  game  8   melb v  adel   15.3 v  8.8  WIN   game  9  melb v north    11.7 v  9.7 WIN

game 10  melb v suns    16.13  v 9.4  WIN   game 11  melb v coll 11.11 v  12.8  LOSS   game 12 melb v  foot  13.9 v 7.7 WIN

game 13  melb v  eagles 12.8 v  12.7 WIN  game 14   melb v  syd  3.8 v  10.11 LOSS   game 15  melb v carl 13.4 v  8.7  WIN

game 16     melb v  adel 9.7 v  10.12 LOSS  game  17  melb v  port  9.6 v  9.8 LOSS   game  18 melb v north  8.12 v  7.6 WIN

 

game 19  melb v  gws 7.2 v  6.7   WIN  game 20  melb v  saints 8.9 v  9.11 LOSS   game 21 melb v  bris 13.5 v  12.4  WIN

game 22  melb v  coll 11.8 v  8.10 WIN  

 

Now I know this isnt a true picture  but it's an interesting picture.  If we look through the result I think theres only  1 or 2 games we'd now lose   on basis of the latter 3/4 effort ( having actually won it ) 

overall WINS 15  LOSSES 7

Well ladies and gentlemen doesn't this paint a story !!!

Don't turn up to play, take too long to get going..throw season away.

All of the above was epitomised for all of us who watched that last game...it summed it up all too accurately.

Those that put up with my dribble over the course may recognise a constant suggestion: That for me there's only ONE Statistic that matters, the Scoreboard. Well that Scoreboard can tell you a lot if you look  and as the above 'look' suggests  we are probably an OK side despite all of our glaring faults ( and we know them in the main ) .

HOWEVER  our starts cost us EVERYTHING

Had we not cocked them up we'd probably be sitting on TOP of the ladder !!

but where are we????

 

 

 

 

 

Terrific analysis which also states by omission the flip side.

When we had flying starts IN the first 1/4,  we blew those leads and nearly lost.!!! e.g Saints and Power.

Overall flakiness and lack of 4 1/4 focus due to...........

Just been looking at where the wheels fell off, apart from Saturday , and thought maybe after round 14 and the swans the inconsistency started. But then looking at the whole season from Round 1, the trend is clear IMO. Inconsistency reigns.  There were reasons, such as losing max in round 3 and THOSE suspensions following the Blues in Round 4.

But, the entire season stumbled form heroics like west coast in Perth, then back to the Bombers giving them a start and catching them  in Rd 6, but losing to under-performing teams (tigers and Hawks at that time) either side of that match.

Rds 8,9 and 10 were poor (incl win against suns which could easily have been a loss), then barely beating the pies, thumping the bulldogs and then Perth and T Mac. Absolute inconsistency.

After that flaky-central.

Perhaps Wayne Carey is right, we are a year too early and will arrive in 2018.

The good wins and comebacks show the talent is there. Its the head space and the glaring gaps that need fixing. Like Jayden Hunt's inability to hit a target- any target as an example.

The FD have a lot of thinking to do over summer.

1 hour ago, don't make me angry said:

I hope all the other teams do lose there respect for the mfc,  so they dont see as coming,so many stupid poster's judging the season and whether the team improves or not on 1 game, 1 game never defines a season, end of last year Geelong belted us by 110 points, Richmond got belted by 115 points did both teams improve yes, our core group of player are all under 23 hogan, oliver, trac, brayshaw, hunt, etc. most are looking at 1 game far too much, once the dust settles and the clouds disappear we can all see clearly, if Adelaide won most of these post  would not exist, and  based on what, Adelaide winning and as making the finals on percentage, knee  jerkers is the lot of you

Probably just grabbing at straws, but Jobe Watson on Footy Classified last night believed this would set the team up for the next 10 years in the ' resolve' department and lay the foundation for success with the memory of the last performance against Collingwood.

16 hours ago, joeboy said:

Jones - always the warrior ( 8 )

Viney - injuries cruelled year ( 6 )

Hogan - year from hell ( 3 )

Salem - only occasional glimpses ( 5 )

Watts - impressive first half ( 6 )

Petracca - teased and underperformed ( 5 )

Lewis - performed as expected ( 7.5 )

Trengove - cannot be retained ( 3 )

Brayshaw - understandably limited output ( 4 )

Gawn - disappointing and underwhelming ( 5 )

Tyson - lacking basic skills ( 5 )

Oliver - talented and consistent ( 8.5 )

Hibberd - decade-best recruit ( 8.5 )

Stretch - has gone backwards ( 3 )

Kent - little to commend ( 3 )

Frost - fine first half ( 6.5 )

Melksham - a surprise packet ( 6.5)

Hannan - made an impression ( 6 )

Pedersen - rough but capable ( 7 )

Vince - slowing and mistakeridden ( 5 )

Kennedy-Harris - not Goodwin's favourite ( 3 )

T.McDonald - highs and lows ( 6.5 )

Weideman - far from ready ( 3 )

O.McDonald - coming of age ( 7.5 )

Hunt - exciting but tired ( 7 )

Neal-Bullen - break out year ( 6 )

Bugg - tried but limited ( 5 )

Spencer - little to assess ( 3 )

Garlett - exciting but restricted ( 6.5 )

Jetta - slow but cunning ( 7 )

White - didn't show enough ( 3 )

Wagner - rarely imbued confidence ( 4 )

Harmes - occasionally stood out ( 5.5 )

 

Thanks Joe boy. I always look forward to these posts after each game.  I am wondering if you would consider taking this list above and then doing a prediction for the same time next year for each as to what you think might be scored for players then. e.g. although Brayshaw was a 4 above, I am hoping he'll be an 8.5 next year.  Just asking, no pressure to have a shot at this.

Thanks for the efforts this season.

3 minutes ago, deefella said:

Simple same ole Melbourne, get comfortable after some surprise wins! Not good enough I'm not buying into it.

I asked for some enlightenment , not some base emotional outpouring.  Check the threads after the more than numerous wins I mentioned  and note the site's  propensity for fickleness.  This year WAS different for the above efforts. Need to lock in consistency.  My question still stands.

9 hours ago, deefella said:

I have Ranted many times about this club, I only do it because it want success like the rest of us but seriously the list/club must once and for all grow a set.

Arent we all tired of being the brunt of all opposition supporters jokes even if we as supporters don't mouth off about our club since we have nothing to because the club gives us nothing! We/ others can go on about our supposed "young list" that maybe "tired"?..... So are 17 other clubs at this stage of the season! This year has been a failure! Forget... "let's just see what happens with Adelaide v Eagles, I'm treating it as another wasted year of, shoulda, coulda, woulda? Even if we do make it I doubt we will go far, we are here to win finals and win the big one. 

Even the bombers, are hungrier than we are! Stand for something MFC.

 

I hear all the comments on this thread and agree but am confused now about a club that heroically beat  Adelaide away, West Coast away, Port, last years premiers and the saints twice - yet produced yesterdays effort.  The recent form lines against north and Brisbane shows they were definitely off the boil and yesterday was a real test. Gave the pies 7 goals starts and got to 8 points down.???

I'm still an optimist but how does this fluctuation happen. I was at the Adelaide oval it I can't believe the above successful games were aberrations.

Bring back Frost BTW.

Any form of enlightenment welcomed.

14 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

We will win the flag.....if  Adelaide beat West Coast 

Was this part of a cunning plan to now finish 8th and avoid playing the swans at the SCG. Instead now probably Port at Adelaide Oval - a happy hunting ground for us?

4 hours ago, armstrong35 said:

Pumped! Hope the boys are too! 

Let's get it done!!!!

At the g m team walikng off after a group meeting in the middle.  jack viney.  Walking ok with some type of support strap on upper foot. Seemed upbeat

1 hour ago, small but forward said:

BIG congrats to Dec Keilty for being named an emergency. Due recognition for some outstanding form in the magoos.

Is Goodwin sending a message to him and Maynard as emergencies - not far away, keep perservering etc.??

5 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

Its not you, its them.

Tyson is solid as a rock and a huge part of our midfield engine. 

At last. I also thought it was me.  I watched Tyson do an individual skills/ball handling warm up at the G last week and just reflected that he seems to get the ball a lot in traffic and links well getting the ball out. That's his strong suit.  Granted the team needs outsiders  and that's not his forte but gee, he's not Robinson Crusoe either in clangers.

JV7started a post "Embrace it" yesterday and as a consequence I have also brought forward my post planned for next week. If we lose it might be too late then and the mood may not be conduicive..

I wish to express gratitude to the following for this season, in no particular order...

Peter Jackson - enough said

Paul Roos - for bringing an on-field foundation and respect

Mr and Mrs Todd Viney - need I mention him Viney jnr.? Enough said

Nathan Jones - This is for you Nate

The Player welfare group - for looking after Jesse, Jeffy and no doubt many others for us in their times of need

Daisy Pearce - leadership and professionalism

The Board (and Glenn Bartlett)

Simon Goodwin - coach of the year contender and all class.

Max Gawn - for continuing the No.11 Guernsey with respect and humour.

Robbo- for Hogan's Heroes

Tom McDonald - Domain Stadium heroics

Jack Watts - QB 17 heroics

Jordan Lewis - making us a destination and THAT Carlton match mark at 30 seconds to go.

Angus Brayshaw - for listening to your mum.

Oscar McDonald - for perseverance

Michael Hibberd - Nothing needs saying here.

Apologies to many others.

I shall sit back and enjoy this weeks game now.