DEE fence

On 7/21/2020 at 5:09 AM, FarNorthernD said:

I would have almost stopped celebrating 

Lightweight

13 hours ago, Nasher said:

Pleasantly surprised, I was fully expecting this to be a post bagging him.

A poster on another forum mentioned that vandenBerg’s tackles hurt more than any other player because they frequently cause turnovers. 

I don’t reckon we’ve had a player like him at the MFC since I’ve been watching. A medium-tall with an extremely solid build whose greatest asset is defensive work. His tackles hurt in both the physical and footy sense. I’d be afraid if I was nearby.

Hopefully he is able to get a decent run at it - he was important in the finals in 2018 and has been so far this year.

Just to demur a little bit, Matthew Whelan, not quite as big as VDB but put the hurt on many, regardless of style, tidier disposal as well. What is excellent though is he puts the pressure on, but does not give away a lot of frees, and I can’t remember a report, very controlled aggression which is a fair skill. 

5 hours ago, A F said:

Agree with it all except this.

I'm not Vanders' biggest fan, but the one thing he does bring that Tom doesn't is tackling pressure.

I think we're a better, more balanced side without Tom. There, I said it.

It's a valid point, his tackling pressure is a definite asset and more than Tmac, and he is faster that he has been for a long time, I just think Tmac was so close in the last two weeks to his 2018 game, and that would be something.

I also think VDB turnovers against a Brisbane/Collingwood type outfit could really hurt us, our back six did a sterling job yesterday both at setting up and pressuring the ball carrier and that saved red faces.

I would argue lets see what it looks like with Tmac back? Only other option would be Melksham for Tmac, but he showed more spark yesterday, although I wasn't sure if that was because of the downhill slope he was on.. I guess I should switch this to changes for Brissie thread?

5 hours ago, nosoupforme said:

Watching the game noticing Bolton saying something to Clarkson in the coaches box, Clarko looks despondent looking away.

What could he have said to him?.

My Version........  Bolton says, It doesn't look good Boss, I remember  that  censored  club lost me my job. If l were you,  I would be resigning asap before you get the sack. 

 

My thought was that Bolton had brought Carlton's intellectual property to Hawthorn....

Anyone else on their 2nd lap of the replay?

Some observations -  COVID... meh, who cares? We have been suffering from MFCSS for so long, we played 4 quarters of attractive football, the world just became a better place... But more sort of seriously..

1. Koutoufides, that is what Trac has become, 1996 Kouta, just moves like a god, who would have ever backed Trac in a foot race with Scully. Playing with an Xbox cheat code this season.

2, I don't normally lose faith in players, but I must admit Oscar had lost me a little, so glad to be wrong, I think he will double his salary if he keeps playing this way. Our back 6 will be premiership standard before long, this has not happened in 50 years to have all the pieces. Hibberd for rebound playing like a man possessed. Salem sharp shooting. Three big tall bodies gliding across the park, I believe they can stymie any of the other attacks going around.

3, Harley is just amazing, before the end of the year his highlight reel will be all Red and Blue, starting with that handball, was a bazooka, like something from the 70's - a Chrysler Valliant V8 of a handball with a supercharger bolted on. 

4, the love for each other is just like 2018, they really get around each other, back to valuing the score assist more than the goal. 

5, Tmac for VDB, am sorry to say but his disposal was the only worry today, I know he is a beast but we have a couple. Don't go getting down on Tmac because he wasn't part of this win, we are better with him in the side, he is very close to a purple patch soon..

6, Weid a serious step in the right direction, but I still think Tmac need to be in the same side, along with LJ, Fritsch and Kozzie gold dust. Can we get back to 2018 scoring? I don't think so yet, but I hope to be wrong.

7, it's been said many times, but what a game when there are no passengers hey!?!

8, Gawn as Captain, I don't believe it, when was the last time a Melbourne player got better while being Captain? Jones went close but I struggle to remember another.

Note: (Please take the COVID comment in the light handed manner intended, seriously my prayers for anyone affected)  

I would vote 7 for Hawthorn kicking it to Max all day and padding his stats.

6. Gawn

5. by a Bee's willy for Trac, best ever game

4. Viney, heart and soul, belted the hawks into submission when the game was in dispute.

3. Oliver better in 2nd half, felt like decision making was laser today. 

2. May IS becoming a/the leader of the back 6.

1. Salem have been really down on him but last two games a huge change.  Today was so good.

Stiff: Weid, Langdon, Gus (much much better), Omac

Also VDB really needs to fix his disposal, running pretty low on DE, great heart though.

7 hours ago, adonski said:

Scully is just Neale-Bullen with a first round pick aura about him. 

What a load of BS, ANB plays with his heart, god I wish he was a better kick but that pays no respect to him, and he deserves it.

6 GAWN, Best Captains game in I can’t remember

5 VINEY, Getting some sleep after new bub obviously helps, fair dinkum he cops merde on this site.

4, LANGDON, his run was good when we lost momentum at times.

3, OLIVER, really strong 4 qtrs

2, SALEM, best game in a long time

1, Can raffle this, but Omac great job tonight, felt like the missing piece of the puzzle he made MAy and Lever better.

I strongly agree about how effective our 2018 hunting the ball carriers was. Apart from I appreciated the effort and consideration given to the subject well done.

I do have a comment though (not a but), Watching 2018, I thought they played their hearts out, hunting and hurting the opposition AND themselves. I never thought it would be sustainable. We were so banged up at the end of the season amd this is the reason I thought the game plan changed to guarding grass as you call it.

We need to change the game plan without doubt, but I couldn't see our list surviving long with that style played all game every week. Would be much better as a shock and awe, switched up with something (I don't know what) other than this play on garbage that is killing us.

To be fair to Oliver, the opposition put lots of work into him, and he hasn't worked through that. He is not soft, he rides alot of physical pressure, and I saw him running. What I don't see anymore is real connection between him Viney and Brayshaw, just a few times a game, this was his best card trick, releasing a player into space, doesn't happen anymore. Our coach needs to work this out pronto. 

3 minutes ago, Demon_spurs said:

I see Sydney Stack has asked to be ommitted, so be doesnt have to face Viney 

I noticed that as well, had been looking for part 2, but I think Sydney has been living off that for a while and playing like crud in the meantime, not a surprise he's dropped.

Bennell, seriously could the club stop the BS and tell us whats up,? on one calf he is ahead of: Spargo, AVB, Brown, Melk, and Hannan. That said I think Petracca is a much stronger unit that Fritsch, a'la Dunstall, and like the idea of him at FF.

7 minutes ago, Elegt said:

What has lever shown 

Rewatch the Dees whip Adelaide in NT in 2018, he was one of the reasons we got going in that game.

Keep in mind he's come back from injury. We all give HB a pass and are super excited, let's give Lever a chance as well, stop being obtuse.

15 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

Tmac presented and marked once.

Other Clubs also few games in 10 months

Like anti Neeld?

I argued with one of your mob the Suns have gone past us as a Club

Lever, has not proved anything yet.

I saw Tmac at more contests as a presence, I felt like he was getting to the play more. Would I like to see 8 contested grabs and 4 goals, of course I would, the point is their is improvement.

There are a few sides with rust it's a call for 3 more games before we get properly snarky about the coach.

I'd like to see a little more fire and brimstone, sometimes it feels a little to millenial the coaching. Also I don't think he would naturally be like that, his style seems a bit forced and without passion, I want passion from the coach too.

Deh, yes they have won 3 games, your point being?

Lever this season or ever? The problem with a loss is all the flaws just seem like one big issue an inch from your nose. Breathe in your own time, take a step back and look a little more calmly. Lever has for instance shown he is capable of playing...

God that was tough to watch.

1, Tmac presented way more, this is a positive. Brown in for Melksham, Fritsch to fwd pocket.

2, Poor bastards are out of touch, is this the coach or two serious games in 10 months, breathe folks.

3, Goodwhen is like the anti-Neeld, he needs to find a compromise as the pendulum has swung too far the other way. Kudos to Waynewussel for calling for calm, but I just really would like to see a 'run' option game plan that uses our so called Burgess fitness. Or something, anything, this rabbit in the headlights instinct the players have developed terrifies me. 

4, I really don't care what the whole footy world thinks, they can GAGF. These Einsteins thought the Sun's would be the spoon. Our list is not that bad, it is just about buying some belief, (could you tell me where it is for sale please?). 

5, Lever needs touch, his 2018 was like this as well, he gets another game.

9 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

Our backyard isn't squeaky clean.

I don't want to give media or anyone else amunition but most of you 40 or over will know who I'm talking about.

There was a much loved indigenous player both by the players and supporters who had a nickname that never sat well with me.This isn't in hindsight.

 

I hope the club could own it and fix it, this stuff always comes out in the end. I always thought the way Gary Lyon put his hand up as part of the problem was decent!

Roo is going to regret putting his head up last week after the game against GC. Media is going to hunt him now, Adelaide is the equivalent of chum 5 miles off shore from Port Lincoln...

Jacob Weitering has been having a stellar season and added another scalp this season, Tmac has another 2 weeks before going back....

Scratch match at the G curious to see what that tells us...

You can imagine every EFC player is allergic to testing.

So [censored] off... I was looking forward to this game big time,  I was confident, and I hate these cheats.

1 hour ago, McQueen said:

All I can say is my tipping is rather ****ful right now. 

Can't be worse than Titus...

I always thought May was bought in to compete with the Franklin/Kennedy/Lynch types to replace what Chip gave. I don't think he's had enough, but by the end of this season we'll see. His age is perfect for that position, you need a heavy weight.

Lever, I don't get the wailing, after Round 2 2018 Lever was in our best almost every week until a knee injury. Showed exactly what he can do, he has another likely 6 years. Able to become part of a flexible back 6. Totally worth the investment. The fact that he has improved his time trial is nothing but a positive. 

I signed. I find it hard to split Kochie and Eddie though, more interested in perpetuating generational hate with Collingwood, as I have noticed some personal back sliding (an admiration for Buckley and Grundy/Pendlebury (he played basketball you know?)).

1 hour ago, deanox said:

Id love it if they tried to put Parish on Oliver. He'd run amok.

I thought the same. I think we look good in match ups, surprisingly so.

Anthony William Watson McDonald-Tipungwuti - Is he playing, he's the only bloke on Essendons' list who I think can torch us. Last I heard he is injured?

AVB not the right horse for a wet track. Goody does have some insights about Essendon, he should be able to work out who from Hibberd/Melksham/Brown might have a bit of extra spark from the prospect of playing their former club. But I would prefer Melksham and Hibberd out of the team.

With it being wet I think ANB's run is critical, he stays.

Jones, my beloved, his time is not up, but needs a rest a'la Ablett, he is NQR and he deserves a go on the ball in a scratch match to find his mojo.

I think Tmac is close, one more game before being dropped, I like his work off the ball. 

Brayshaw, one more game before getting itchy and .....

Picket and Jackson in/stay.

SO out: Melksham, Jones

In: Kossie, Lockhart.

Smith forward, Tmac back.