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I seriously feel sick reading that (Thanks for the report BTW)

I'm very jaded when it comes to snides and pedants, who miss the point and who are blatently wrong and would not admit it if you put a gun to their head really short fuse for that I'll admit

It's good... but oddly he makes no mention of Gawn,Spencer or Kent once he gets to team-naming bit

omg this again no I don't you INSERT VICIOUS INSULT, that's why it's called an AVERAGE think about the concept there will roughly the same inside50s and goals and any other stat per game in 2015 as there was in 2014 on AVERAGE. If your AVERAGE total goes up by 5 then your AVERAGE total against will ALSO decrease by 5 unless you reckon that for some reason next year there will be a huge increase in total inside50s per game. No you dont think that do you because that would be very stupid of you very simple grade 4 maths. I won't be continuing the discussion bc my head will explode. I might try to teach my dog to speak French instead. Just dig out a kernel of intelligence and think about it

ah yes, i forgot that was you. Weren't we on the same page then? You've changed your tune? I hate these arguments over basic mathematical principles BUT in 2014 we got 44%(vs 56% obv.) of the inside-50s in games we played.. that means you win an extra 5 contests over the course of a match, your i50 goes up 5 but your opponents ALSO decreases by 5, so the difference is a total of 10. FIVE contests over a match, on the premise of course that winning a contest around the middle of the ground, such as a stoppage, leads to an inside-50 (strong correlation). We also should be seeing a better return on goals-from-inside-50s because of Hogan and Garlett.. but that is a separate point. I guess what I'm rambling about is that 4 wins/17th place looks bad, but the difference between that and 11 wins/9th-10th place is actually quite minimal. This is supported by the scoreboard also - 6 losses by 20 points or less (ave 11.7 pts). Gameday average of 28 points on the scoreboard below AFL average. Wouldn't you agree that 5 contests leads to an inside-50 differential change of 10, leads to another 2-4 goals per game, leads to winning those 6 closes ones, leads to being close to AFL average and a % of 100.00 ?

BS it obviously true Quality teammates attract the opposition's attention and resources and they set up plays to the advantage of their teammates. Quality teams have all their systems running properly. It is at its most obvious when you are talking about young midfielders How can you even argue this

Golden ticket

Clark wasn't even playing and Frawley was mediocre at best all year We did get Lumumba and Brayshaw out of it you know

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oh now I see. We will improve by 6 wins to make it 10. However, everyone else will win 6 more, meaning 19 wins will be required to make finals. In a few years, it will take 35 wins in a 22 game season to play finals, because every side just improves at a constant rate every year.

the differential went from 18.0 to 11.6 if there is 100 x I-50s per game (40 us 60 them) it is only a change of 10% to make it 50-50

i wish we had only won 1, not 2, in 2013.. then we could say we quadrupled.. and following the trend would be getting 16 wins this year

wow, with every side improving every year, imagine what it will be like in a few seasons' time

you've forecasted 90 goals for Dawes/Howe/Watts vs their 2014 output of 38. Then you've added 60 from Hogan/Garlett. That's an extra 5 goals a week in total, I hope you're right, because we are only 4 behind the AFL average with a defense that is on par

we'll never know though, because we can't be certain who that marquee player actually was, much less how they would have performed at the Dees. Tell you what, I'd still be tempted to trade all five to have Dangerfield in the middle round 1!

no need to get your frilly little pink panties in a bunch, princess :D what you are saying is all well and good but you can't make it part of your original reply unless you know a crazy old scientist with a De Lorean :D

and while you're thinkin about that, think about this: the talk at the time very strongly indicated that we were looking to nab a big name (Dangerfield/J.Kennedy) by throwing that pick 23 along with pick 3 AND the pick received by trading Trengove (12?).. so it's quite possible by JT failing that medical, we missed a big name but ended up with Brayshaw, Trengove, Frost, ANB and O-Mac ALL instead of that one marquee player. Could be a huge blessing in disguise.

People exaggerate how far behind we are - we lost the last 10 and finished 17th but that's not the real story 2013/2014 AFL Average: 50.4 inside-50 13.11.89 MFC 2014: 40.5 inside-50 9.7.61 so that's it: 4 goals and 10 inside 50s and we are an AFL average side pedants can talk til they're blue in the face but it really doesn't get any simpler than that and the numbers are incapable of lying

what melodramatic, shallow garbage you are definitively saying that if the MFC rose 15 ladder spots and lost the grand final in 2015 you would be disappointed with the year do we really need silly comments like this it is a waste of everyone's time

you are trying to pretend you have been talking about 'footy smarts' all along, which you obviously haven't.. but I will play along - you concede that Jones has improved since his younger days in terms of what he does when in possession in heavy traffic - correct? you claim that this is because he 'thinks about it more' now than he used to- correct? well how do you think he improved his thinking? It is called experience - it is called getting it wrong a bunch of times over a bunch of years and developing. It is the same reason a good backman knows when to stay with his man or move to cover someone else's - correct? so, given the above statements, why were you initially critical of the way Viney plays as a 20 year old, as if you expect him to have the maturity of players 5+ years his senior? feel free at any time to just admit your initial statement was bollocks and you can jump off this ride;)

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surprise surprise. Someone on DLand gets called out on a stupid comment and instead of just conceding it they try to spin their way around it. The quality of his disposal is NOT something you mentioned in your post and has NOTHING to do with taking on tacklers. You are basically suggesting that he will become a better player if he softens up the way he plays the game which is something I could not possibly agree with less

Are you serious? I remember back then how much everyone enjoyed having a whinge about this bc NJ would occasionally get a holding the ball decision against him. Boo-hoo. I argued at the time that the fact he kept doing was indicative of the instructions his coaches had given him, and that as he gained experience and body mass he would stop getting caught holding it and shed the would-be-tacklers, winning us hardball gets and first use of the pill from stoppages. Of course I was completely right about that and years later I read the same shortsighted criticism of Viney! The ability to stand up under pressure, and burst through a tackle in heavy congestion is just about the no.1 most valuable asset of any footballer IMHO. Think of players like J.Selwood and Mitchell, this is what separates them as players. The only way to become a master at it is to keep practicing it. I would be shattered to learn that anybody would try to coach it out of a kid like Viney, as this skill is what will distinguish him from being an also-ran to a league elite.

Brian Stynes Jay Viney Steven Febey Matthew Febey Anthony McDonald James McDonald Chris Johnson Jack Viney* Dylan Grimes* Zak Jones* Oscar McDonald* Billy Stretch* conclusion: Recruiting (or not recruiting) sons and brothers of former players is more often a negative rather than positive result (*so far)

The new climate of players having an increased abilty to [censored] themselves out wherever they please is terrible for the game. Who wants to see their favourite player at another club? Absolutely nobody in the entire country, that's who. We should be minimising this as much as possible, not catalysing it. It's also awful news for the minnow clubs such as ours on the basis that we are less attractive re-settlement options on the market.