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Spencer has been re-signed until 2017 and I suspect that unless we bring in an experienced and proven ruckman of the Mumford ilk, Spencer will continue to sign one-year extensions. He's not going anywhere. It would be suicide to dump ruck stocks when your back-up ruckman on game day is Jack Watts.

He's no Mario the Richmond supporter from Greensborugh.

Freo is an average club with a superiority complex. Unlike the Eagles, they think they are relevant because they get decent crowds and play in Perth (a city that also tries to compensate for its inadequacy). They will go nowhere next year. That said, he won't leave.

"Embarrassing" records. I don't think not beating a team on a Sunday for a decade classifies as embarrassing

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That is not what I meant. From an on-field perspective in 2010, we eventually struggled because you had young kids shouldering the load. We have added Vince and H to the fold for experience but in much the same way, we have very unexperienced players in areas that win and lose matches. I also said we have a stronger young brigade this time, but I guess you skipped over that part. In 2010 we had many young kids that showed promise, and the media was showering us with praise. It broke down. I am fearful of another breakdown, and I think we need another player of Vince's caliber into the club.

It has a strong stench of 2010, doesn't it? We have a stronger young brigade imo but it's almost like we've made the same mistakes. Most of our "depth" players have less than 30 games experience, so if we get injuries suddenly we're bringing kids in with zero experience.

Only Jones, Watts, Trengove, Dunn and Garland remain from that game. Probably 2 too many. 5 too many depending on who you talk to. Dunn and Garland are in their last AFL contracts you'd think.

Dees by 10 goals.

You have to take the good and the bad with teams like this. When we are high we play like schoolboy all stars but when we struggle (and I think we only really *struggled* twice this year, against Bombers and Saints), there is a massive dropoff. You have to expect that and be prepared for more games like that. The difference between this inexperienced side and the one from 2010, 2011 is that we have a really good contingency of experience: not too much, not too little, and better "ball winners" than we did then. I think we still might struggle agains a Hawthorn, West Coast and even Freo, but it's a learning curve and part of the process.

That was a 100+-point loss without Hogan. Kent, Harmes, Frost, Watts and Garlett were all annihilated. No one else would have kicked goals.

You'd think his management would be screaming out at him to stay in Melbourne. Over the last few years most if not all of the young guns who have "gone home" to Perth have come from QLD, NSW etc. And then you have those coming back to Melbourne. Scully is the exception but we know why he left. Hogan isn't going anywhere.

Oh wow, really. That's pretty neat.

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Updated North record. Updated two-in-a-row record.

More or less, yeah, but we'd have ended up with a higher pick this year to potentially get a better player than Weiderman, so it's a massive risk that really falls down to the club finishing in the 5th-12th range. It would be hard to swallow if the club doesn't improve, finished 18th-14th and has passed up a top 5 pick. Pressure is on everyone right now. The football department is put a lot of faith in itself to deliver with that choice. I like our draft choices but we'll be a laughing stock if we crash and burn and miss out on a pick 3 or pick 4 or pick 5.

2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 aren't much better.

I don't think that really means anything, we take a KPP every year, problem is that in the period we've had a top 10 pick there haven't been many KPP in that range, they've generally been in the 20-30 range. I would think If we finish 12th or below this year, I'll be mightily [censored].

Neale would be good. Anyway, the players that have signed recently, they're out of contract, no? Pretty sure they're in a position to sign now and can't risk waiting for the CBA. They might end up uncontracted while the players potentially strike. If Hogan puts off contract talks "until the end of the season" at this time next year, he's gone. At this stage, it is ludicrous to really even contemplate this. But I do think he should just sign and get on with it. This is going to carry on for the next 18 months (hopefully only the next 12).

Anyway, any "under the table" deal is irrelevant if Freo can't offer up anything of substantial value, and if they can't, I highly doubt he'll go into the draft unless one of Freo or WC are last. Boyd was traded to the Bulldogs for Griffen and pick 6. Hogan will have played 60 games and kicked 100+ goals. I don't think Fremantle fans "get" it. If we lose him, we'll most definitely getting something of significant value in return, and I don't think it would be high draft picks. Unless Freo tanks or trades up for other picks or future picks, it'll be very tough for him to get to Freo. No way Melbourne rolls over like GWS and accepts a 30-year-old and pick 6. I know I'm biased but you'd think it's in Hogan's best interests to re-sign, and re-sign as soon as possible. Starting to think the CBA has nothing to do with it. He could sign now and score himself $800k a year from 2018.

Due diligence .There was always a chance he'd re-sign. They'd be doing themselves a disservice not to *initiate* discussions to get a feeling. It's their job.

Jesus... I'd think we'll be wiping off one record this weekend.

You're welcome.

lol he's not leaving WA.