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Why don't you throw in TMc, Stretch, DJohnston, Baker, Filopovic, and the rest. In reality we have as inside mids > Jones, Viney, Oliver, Petracca, Harmes this year, and Brayshaw who still carries the Q?... with cameos from Salem, Hogan. If you take out Jones, we are left with Viney Oliver, Petracca, & Harmes I would say;,,, as our main Inside Mid group... with possibly Maynard ? If one of these gets a serious injury, we are seriously thinned out inside. If the game continues using the interchange as it is now, we could do with another genuine power insider. Brayshaw, Salem and Hogan, all play well in other positions.

That's as i remember it as well CBF. And 5 decades of sub standard football and accomplishments for our club says to me I do not want our board in any way associated with the MCC people apart from working groups. I do not want MCC anointed board members, running our Mfclub. We NEED footy people... smart footy people, to make footy decisions; we do not want to be like a cricket club.. We need more access to to this club, and to grow the club's support base, & to grow its diverse base... growing towards independence. No more Mcc Apron strings,,, and meaningless & directionless appointed boards, of pleasant chaps & ladies. Lets get back to Smith or Checker days of lets take the bastards on, attitudes. No more hiding behind aprons.

In strong drafts, we could do a bit with a number of 2nd Rnd and 3rd Rnd picks. We could trade up fairly well. I would be looking to trade off Kent back to the West, if we could get something decent with tour returns. Wet Toast might be looking to top up their list, as they think they're not pretenders. They might like some insurance for cover, as they're window opens in the breeze.

Thats right, and ALL clubs are now trying to out build one another's mid fields, so when will ours get overtaken by most clubs. we are not that far ahead of the masses, and we equal some of the top teams in midfield. Its where we spend our resources, thats Key. In 3 years time, our midfield won't be much stronger if at all, with our attrition. Jones'y will be about dusted off. We want to continue to be the brutes inside. Our outside types can be brought in;,,, and IF the AFL do open the game up further;,,, then outside types with more space to operate in,,, will be easier to come buy. They won't be so special. Just quick and skilled... more like a Garlett, if you like.

My comments Re board,,, have absolutely Nothing, Nothing, to do with Gillon, AT All. but the AFL hierarchy. Gillon is only the face of the AFL. Its the footy people within that organisation, that get the best feedback during the years, that are in the know about footy matters. They gave us PJ and Roosy.

If Wines wanted to move, and we had the opportunity, I would grab him and not Gaff. No slight on Gaff at all, but Wines in our midfield,,, with Vince, Lewis soon, and Jones soon enough as well, all will have finished by 2021-22. That would then leave us inside with, Viney, Oli, Petracca, Harmes, Brayshaw, Salem, Maynard. ... that inside list, looks a LOT better, with Wines added to it. Viney, Wines, Oli, Petracca, Harmes, Brayshaw, Salem, Maynard.

They certainly don't Blinky. But we've made hotchpotch's the fashion statement of the great north. I'm glad we have the AFL support over the past 5 or so years, and still now.

I don't remember which game it was, but I wanted TMc out of defence, and the rucks got hurt. Now I want him to venture back down there, just for cameos, with his newfound kicking skills, and confidence. And I noticed how our transition thru mid ground improved, with him and Pedo using their size across the middle, which really aided our bringing of the ball thru, and into our F50. We sort of stumbled into it... and then we stumbled out of it, when Gawn came back too soon, and Pedo was dropped. This year seems we have learnt, that the midfield is better with the big guy up around the wing.

Yeah, thats why i suggested it, and OMc was starting to show a bit of something, just starting to show signs of emerging. I thought OMc needed to have a bit more responsibility, and the rucks both got injured and Tom's kicking was an issue; at that time. Frost was doing OK. Tommy either needed to play forward, because of his kicking issue, or in the future he wouldn't have been able to keep his spot. The rest now is history, and a fantastic one;,, and his kicking transformation is amazing. I heard he worked on it, with one of our coaches, and he has emerged an amazing footballer. Same re Pedo, I was always optimistic for him, and with a bit of faith and some injuries, and his mindset getting better, he took the opportunity, and he is now a true Demon. His efforts for team and club, i think is fantastic.

players I would consider for trade... Garlett, Tyson, Frost, Kent, Wagner, Hunt, ANB, Stretch, & possible future picks, etc. We have the means, if we want to do it. It just takes 2 to tango, foxtrot, or boogie! ...

I called for TMc to go forward and to ruck... when both Gawn and Spencer were both injured.

So we should wait fore them, to call us...? I say, time for this old conservative girl Mfc, to get onto the front foot and chase down (head-hunt) if you prefer; the players we dream of for the RednBlue.

... lets lose the negativity around chasing down our dreams. If you can dream it, you can build it. We have to stop putting road blocks in our own way, before we even try. This is why we are not the ones housed in the Olympic swimming centre, for example. This is why our membership is so transient. Only jumping up when we can make finals, in a given year. People have seen the club as being unreliable, and out of reach, and this is what we''ve created over the past 50+Yrs. Its time we changed the mental fabric around the whole club. From the board. down to the sometimes supporter. I've never heard the words,,, "we can't do that", coming out of the Hawthorne footy club_ .

If the Hawks can attract players of quality at seeming regularity;,, then we have to aim at being like them. ... acting like that, and going after Our Dreams.

no, your not... no one has said it would be a simple thing to do... but if one doesn't even try, then one doesn't ever know. If Wines wanted out;,,, picks or players might aid the cause. It would be tough to do, but things that are valuable are hard to come buy.

The people making it good were/are being aided by the AFL's help. WE do not know how good it is, without their support. The AFL have had a much bigger influence on getting us back on track, than is known. The media are aware of it, and are calling on the AFL to do the same, with Carlton, and the Suns.

Gaff approaching 26Yrs. https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-west-coast-eagles--andrew-gaff Wines approaching 24Yrs. https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-port-adelaide-power--oliver-wines We can do it, IF we have the WILL. the D'Sire

and they all rotate, anyway. There is always, a way... never ever, say never. B + pozativ.

Why do we always live in fear of loss at Melbourne. This is one of the same fears,,, of recruiting blemished talented players; and of out of contract players on our list. may leave, IF... The same fears carry over, to turn us negative at matches, when things are tough,,, and we have to climb our way back into a game. We have to overcome this, just as the players have to overcome their fears and negatives, as they are taking hold. Mahoney will do whats right for him, anyway... sometimes that "old acquaintance" thingy, takes too much toll on us all. And spoils our output. .

"Gentleman Jim" wanted to rid the club of stuffiness. so do i. Jimma wasn't a great businessman, nor a great list coordinator, but he had the passion to try to take the club in the right decision. But that went wrong... at the hands of many. The wrong people;,,, but no worse that getting it wrong in the early 2000's, or for decades earlier than that. In fact we've been getting it wrong since the 'end of time' Smithy days. But this thread isn't about the 'Jimmas' of the club. This is about the handover from (AFL endorsed) PJ... to whoever... Hopefully AFL endorsed. I trust the AFL's acumen, in finding better Footy people to do the job, than our boards of the past 50Yrs_

I don't think we need Gaff as much as we all thought we did, last year. Our young mids are starting to grow their engines, and run. Stretch is running hard and creating, and just needs that breakout game in the seniors. Hunt likewise needs to learn to adjust his mind. Viney, Oliver, Petracca and Brayshaw are all different to Wines. I think they compliment one another's abilities. No one is an Oliver. Certainly Brayshaw is not an Wines. very different.

every club needs Wines. We can fit him in somehow, before the pies, Hawks, bummers or blues work him into their lists. Josh Mahn,,,, do your best work, and get Oli onto the D's List..........................................................................................................

cheers Dl Done, thankyou.

I'd prefer Wines over Gaff, if it was a choice.

Geez, I hope your right 'tslpg'. and happy to do the trades to get it done. I know we want gut run, but we are currently growing our own. I'm NOT looking just at 2018-19... but for the next 8 Yrs. Lets get Wines over, and just get it done. Now.