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I think that's what I'm saying. My club did the same thing. Worse in fact. They threw Donovan out at age 35(ish). I was pumped. I knew he only had a couple of good years left. He went on to do nothing. Eagles moved on to Kolb, and within a few games, Vick went close to winning an MVP in a classic year. I didn't for a minute think it was a mistake to trade the Eagles best QB in the post-merger era. Although MANY Eagles fans who loved him were really upset. All about selling high, buying low. Eli's situation is different obviously, but since you asked... And no. Ask any Colts fans, from top to bottom... they're certainly frustrated that Luck is hurt... but the kid has played some great football in his first few seasons, and is an out and out gun. Just has some horrible injuries. Everyone in that organisation is very, very pleased to have him. And 100% of them would rather have their current situation with Luck vs a retired hall of famer. I'm with you on Eli more than you think. I reckon he's a credit to the League. I think it's two separate topics though. One, dropping him at this time in this fashion.... and quite separately the idea of moving him on IN THE OFF SEASON. First one: I can't get my head around, and not many people can. Second one, I think is aggressive and makes a lot of sense, as discussed above. But yeah, you're not wrong... McAdoo apparently, according to what I'm hearing from all the credited beat reporters, had no say in dropping him. Wasn't his idea. But it won't matter. He and Reese are doneskies, surely. And hey... I can hardly say I mind... I hate the Giants.. They go bad = good for Eagles. Where I can't go with you is the "win now" thing. I mean. That's just not true on any level. Clubs come out and flat out admit to tanking, all over the league. They shift a solid player to the bench to sort out their future all the time when they can't make playoffs. In some instances they do it even before seasons start. They rebuild. Happens all the time. But again... this is all one view vs another, and is for all intents and purposes, sort of pointless to discuss. So wild change of topic... has noone on here mentioned about Rodgers apparently flying in training? Still a shot? I would prefer to meet literally 14 other teams in the NFC in playoffs rather than play Rodgers. Should I be worried? Some are saying 9-7 will be enough?

Yeah. But a 37 year old monument. Indy did the same with Peyton, and no-one there minds, as they got Luck. Peyton didn't even mind as he went to Broncos and got his second ring. It's one area in the NFL that they have maturity over us. Trav Cloke gets booted from the Pies, and you wouldn't believe the vitriol aimed at him over something that wasn't even his fault. Older QBs get moved to other clubs all the time, and coaches get moved on, and the GP so often remain supporters. Even at Philly they cheered McNabb when he started for the Redskins. Ditto for Andy Reid when KC came to town. I love how USA sports are about the acceptance of free agency and player movement. Although I will agree with you that dropping him with only 5 games to go... I mean... I still don't understand who or what it helps. Geno would need to throw 4 TDs a week with no picks to get the job next year... Genuine question... is the Geno stuff a smokescreen? Is it actually the fact that they want to look at Webb? Maybe they rate him? Regardless, McAdoo is gawn... So it's all pretty much a big "?" for me still.

- Nope. Gonna be fun though. lol - They haven't?!!! I dunno about that. I think in USA sports, tanking isn't even a dirty word. What do they say in Philly? "Trust the process." I have a feeling the organisation sees this as literally their next franchise QB coming from their first pick. If they DO win a couple more and go from pick 3 to pick 8, they'll trade up from 8 to 2... and assume, correctly, that the Browns will screw up pick 1. I reckon like when Peyton got hurt at Indy, let him walk and got Luck ("Suck for Luck" was the popular phrase then)... that's pretty much what the Giants are resigned to doing. Not saying they went about it well... but it's clear to everyone what they're angling for. Of course it is... but you still have to do it. Again and again if required. Or if you're the Browns, again and again X26... I would agree, except Flacco is 32. If Eli was 32, there wouldn't even be a question. He'd still be there. But he's turning 37 soon. And in NYC, you gotta get those fans in. If I'm a Giants fan I'm probably hoping Eli stays cos I love him... but half of me is ready for the new chapter. At very least I'm going through every little thing I can find on the top 3 guys online, with a fine tooth comb, to see if it's worth the trouble. I did the same when Howie traded up to pick 2 to get Wentz. In those few days before the draft, I was feverishly looking into Goff/Wentz stuff. I was pretty excited though. Bradford isn't a bad QB. But I wasn't EXCITED to watch him play. I feel like if Giants see their list the way you do, then they'd assume they're 2 maybe 3 years away... at which time Eli will be almost 40. If they're not in shooting distance in 2018... then the time is right. Get lucky dipping.

Obviously he's not playing. But the question of who's most valuable to Giants won't be in regards to the next 5 weeks. For obvious reason they're looking at 2018 and onwards... And if that's true, OBJ is by far and away the biggest piece of that puzzle, and will be the highest paid player at the club easily. It's not like they have 0 talent on their list. I really like the idea of a Rosen or Jackson coming in and having OBJ to throw to. Look at Wentz. In his first year he had nothing to target, give him Jefferey and suddenly he's exploded. If you watch OBJ closely, he makes the QB better. Giants actually looked dangerous in the few games he played this year. And yeah. It is garbage. But again... so was Eagles. I reckon in the NFL (as opposed to the AFL) you're only one or two off seasons away from a serious list, as long as you work the trades and free agency right. At the Eagles, Roseman got the reigns back of what was largely viewed to be a garbage list.... Yes, they got lucky in that more or less every move turned out to be a winner... But the point is the so-so core group look super once you put good pieces around them. I think Giants main 6 guys are good enough to have them back in the NFC East race within a couple of seasons. No doubt. That said, it allllllll hangs on the QB, and how much protection you can get him. Who do they take, and will they be a bust.

Eli the only string point? OBJ says hi. I reckon Giants have got some good pieces still. Most teams do. JPP, Jenkins, Shepherd is ok, Engram looks like a good player... Less than 12 months ago they were in the playoffs. I think you're right though. It seems the top end of town that seems to be the problem. They've got a culture issue there, and if McAdoo and Reese both vanish, and they hold onto their big names.... why couldn't they do a McVay/Pedersen? Personally, I don't hate their list. It needs work... but no more or less than the Eagles list did 12 months ago.

Is it possible to edit picks at this late stage, Macca? If so , Pats, Rams and Vikes.

Yeah. The more I think about it the more I think having gone through the pain, why would they go back. Especially seeing as there's a couple of highly touted QBs in the draft. I was reading today though about the Broncos possibly being talked into another Manning going there by Peyton. I sort of hope that happens.

One of the big things about the NFL that's great is the whole "big time player" and "clutch" thing, particularly with QBs. Guys can play for years and be good. Even MVPs like Ryan... but when the big moments come, that seems to define them. That's what has me interested in this current crop. Mariotta, Luck, Winston, Dak, Wentz, Goff, Wilson and a number of others... They can put together really good stats, and noone cares if you don't have the ability to find the play on the one play it's needed. Games seem to be close SO often. And playoffs are so fiercely contested. I reckon most of those guys haven't seen a really, really important one off play that's career defining. Wilson in his superbowls has them. Luck in his big time playoff comeback. The others haven't even started their "clutch" careers yet. These playoffs are gonna be unreal for that.

Yeah I've got a lot of time for him. I can understand the Peyton-Eli thing. They're related, one is regarded as the better player, both have 2 rings... scuttlebutt can be fun.

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Yeah. Just saying he cops it pretty harshly. I reckon more than half the conversations anyone ever had about how good Eli is had the Peyton comparison. Brutal. We don't get too much of that in the AFL. Probably just the Abletts, and even then, noone really cares.

And of course there's the Peyton comparison. Gee whiz, next year is going to be crazy in the NFC. Rodgers back = Packers 10 wins at least. Cowboys with Zeke and their O line in one piece, plus some good selections. Vikings with Bradford or Keenum. Seattle with less injuries and their D back. Rams are now as sexy as any team in the league. Sainst suddenly serious again, and have Kamara. Lions always thereabouts. So much red meat.

Or aiming to maintain some dignity as he's kicked out of NYC. Yeah. NFL is a three year rebuild league. No reason to take the MFC approach to list building. The trouble with that logic is that these other sides who are close, and some that are miles away like the Browns certainly COULD benefit and "win now." But if they could, why can't Giants? I always thought why not do the Favre>Rodgers thing of letting your first round pick QB settle in for a couple of years behind the beloved veteran. In fact I always assumed that's exactly what they'd do next year. Surely Geno Smith is a known quantity...

Yeah I didn't mean to sound like an Eli hater. He looked fine when he had a single super WR to throw to only a month or two ago... What I mean is just the time factor. He turns 37 in a couple of months... so using Peyton as a guide, he has a couple of good seasons left and then would fall away steeply. (Peyton might be different as he was massively banged up, but still...) So the argument then becomes what are you losing Bortles for and what are you gaining. Eli for a couple of years to contend, then you have to go look for someone again? Maybe that's what they'll do. It certainly worked for Broncos when their D was winning them games. JAX should and probably do rate their D that highly... So there might be something in your suggestion. I also reckon Smith would go great at JAX as well, btw. As for NFC East fans... we went from liking that McAdoo was there to just being resigned to the fact now that he has 5 games left, maximum. He's done. Frankly, I've always felt the same about Garrett. MInd you... I had no time for Dougie P either, and look how that turned out. maybe I'm just negative.

Jags only because of the Coughlin thing. I don't reckon he'd be too much of a massive upgrade on Bortles. They might think about it if they can get something good for Bortles, a la the Bradford trade when Eagles got Wentz. So Giants to take a QB in the draft... But which one will be competing against Dak and Carson (and Cousins maybe?) for the next ten years?

Just looks fake. Like they reversed the video for a second.

WTF?!!!

I feel like Eagles secondary gets helped a lot by other things... like time of possession, and how Wentz controls the clock and hasn't turned the ball over much. And obviously they get their picks because the front 7 put so much pressure on the QB. Rams are a different animal, with so many options, including a pass catching RB. Something Eagles haven't countered well... Also the secondary, outside of Jenkins, is all no-names. As many have pointed out, they've only played two teams with winning records, and lost to one of them. In a couple of weeks, we'll learn a lot about Philly. Rams I think we're seeing what they are already. They've seen through a lot of tests.

You neglected to mention the tie breaker you have now with them. After a loss, Rams were supposed to fall by the wayside. Instead, here we are, still none the wiser about what the hell is happening in the NFC. Eagles only need one loss to fall back into the playoffs more with Vikes, Rams, Saints etc etc... As a die hard I'm looking around at who can hold back the Eagles. With a 1 game lead, it has to come from one of the last 5 opponents. I'll put a line through Giants and Raiders for now, on form... Seattle with their injuries should be beatable. Dallas in week 17 might have given up the fight, or might not even be a live game... That leaves your dreaded Rams... So here we are comparing a top-flight Goff outfit to a top-flight Wentz outfit. We're going to have to do this again and again as the years roll by, and as the lists are overhauled every couple of years, as they are in the NFL. I could go into more detail with Defensive coordinators, offensive schemes, away form etc... but the way I see it is simple. Vikings scare me because of how organised they are, but they have a QB that I'm not sure about. Seattle have injuries. New Orleans have been beaten, and I'm not sure their D is as outstanding as it has been in recent weeks... But the Rams... The Eagles have got a lot out of a QB with one or two accuracy problems who has been in outrageously good form behind a dominant O line. What makes the difference for them though is that the defense (run D particularly) is making life veeeery comfortable for the offense, Giving them heaps of opportunities (=2nd in give-take turnover stat). Why do the Rams worry me? - O lines are comparable. - D lines are comparable. Donald might be the best in the league. Cox not far behind. - Receivers are multi faceted, if not out-and-out stars. Watkins = Jefferey. Kupp = Agholor. Ertz = Woods. - QBs are evenly matched I think. Wentz on the move has an advantage. Goff's arm accuracy is slightly ahead. So what's the difference? Not much. That's what worries me. Rams are good in all the areas Eagles are good. I get the feeling Blount, Ajayi, Clement and Smallwood vs Gurley and Austin could decide it. If Gurley can break the Eagles impenetrable run D... then they might have the edge.

I'm gonna see what odds I can get at TAB for Clint to win the comp.

Clint gonna be super hard to beat from here. Rams were so good. Saints are a really good side, and from what I saw they were playing well. Goof just keeps on keeping on. Little bit scared of them now.

Yeah fair enough

WOW!

Still. Manful performance. Hundley particularly.

Gee whiz the pack are putting up one helluva show. Lots of people have Steelers as AFC championship team.