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I am fully capable of separation Nasher. I am also fully capable of my own assessments and have the prerogative to my own reactions. Our WIN was more like NOT-LOSING...We did everything ..again to steal a loss from Victory...somehow we stuffed that up and still won. A Another minute..or a few less and we were indeed losers. By all means take whatever joy you wish to take from the occasion. All a bit too much like finding a Fiver in your pocket when your broke and spend it on a beer. It tastes good...but strangely you're still broke. All youve really managed to achieve is numbing reality for a brief moment. Reality is reality..I'm a realist. In case no one has really noticed we've gone through another rebuild ( squandered ) ...had all the hype of looking like we're getting somewhere...only to fall over...and over. The Boards are now back to discussing priority picks and looking to our draftees with that demented laughter that this IS the panacea..In other words we're right back where we've been for god knows how long...one of the irrelevant teams at the bottom of the ladder. Rose coloured glasses are fine but when you add a lot of our dark blue to them the view gets very overcast.

ban yourself

Im not Simon's greatest fan by a country mile but it's not so much his fault as the whole FD. Make no mistake we have a very poor FD. Many here understood the motive of getting Preuss. Many here are gobsmacked ( though by now we should be prepared ) by the inefficiencies and poor results of progressing players.

And this is why i dont listen to SEN

in reality neither Gawn nor Preuss are forwards per se. They re both Rucks that can go forward. Unlike the mania of this modern game to take players off at the slightest drop of a leaf I see much to be said for simply resting them ( as in days of old ) . They're warmed up and in the groove of the game just move them around. Probably Gawn is more au fait with the forward role at the present but the whole idea of pushing the taller mobile ruck forward is to create imbalance with the opposition's defence structure and matchups...i.e spanner in their works. It's a setup to be worked with. Each game may present different opportunities and as always happens no every player might be ON for the day. Both can get a footy to stick to their mitts...a handy trait. max isnt nearly as bad a kick as some might have it.....that said...maybe keep him more than 30 out.....

In your case with...hard to imagine you without an a-peel ??

I always find the sentiments of supporters fascinating, win lose or draw. I suppose the stance many assume comes from the furphy that a glass 50% filled is somehow only half full ...or half empty. Upon these views somehow dictates where your 'allegiance' lays. It's a crock. A glass 50% filled is just that..50% filled. One might reasonably argue if it was full and now only 50% then it's now half empty as that was the momentum of events. Conversely..an empty glass filling is half full if thats the direction of events. What say of all of this..Simple. It's neither all of one thing nor the other. Being critical of our play ..indeed anything to do with this club does NOT preclude one from being able to enjoy a win. It simply means some are far more encompassing of larger pictures than those that might live vicariously in the moment. Neither is more right than the other. They are opinions, perspectives, call them what you like. It was definitely better to win than to lose but like some others here it all feels very hollow. Again we did our very best collectively to snag a loss from the jaws of victory. How excited anyone becomes from kicking but ONE goal in the final term I don't know. Where would all the sky punching be had we not managed that I wonder ? The tempo was arguably different yesterday. That's good. I wonder too just how much by design and how much by forced circumstances. Either way there were lessons there to be observed. Yesterdays game reminded me of two elevators travelling in opposite directions. They up and we down...somehow we just managed to be on top at the right moment. We almost weren't. Our skills are not as a team AFL standard. We do have a handful of very good players, but they alone dont make a Winter..so to speak. Our game plan...do we really even have one ? is predictable and negatable. You really have to wonder why it's taken so long to get Preuss on the big-park. That we're only now supposedly considering both he and Max is laughable. Yesterday was a bit like playing musical chairs...had there been a couple more notes maybe the tone here would be a little more sombre. Some are easily pleased.

Wow....wow....what a concept... I take it all back...our coach is a genius We're a really good team...we are Can't wait to see what gems we come up with... Folks..we fell in against a depleted Carlton...and only just MEH

Melbourne to a T

Tmac for sure...he seems well restrained...and frustrated. Angus quite possibly. Some very strange days on the field in my view by some players. They are hardly recognisable ..save for the number. I can only hope where ever possible the injured are laid up...if not...2020 will be no better

Might be just me ( often is ) ... I have my suspicions over a number of players. i.e they are carrying a distinct niggle of some form but they are being played/managed as we simply need someone to play. I'm not sure 2019 is really indicative of Pig I could be wrong

Well I for one am certainly looking forward to his letter of apology and refund at seasons end !!! ???

Uncompetitive Dissapointing Unwatchable Nomadic Irrelevant

Funny you use irrelvance It was in a fashion one of the 5 words i used, IRRELEVANT We just are

It was a curiosity to me. I noted that in reality it was from the.Membership Dept . By that it struck me as more about the delivery of membership and its value more than what we really think about the club (team). There was a small section in which one could let rip (in a fashion ) I wonder what value many put (0-10) for our on field efforts lol Suffice to say i didnt answer 10 ?

We won 4 premiership cups in the 50s. ..we aint there no more..that's for sure lol

As soon as I saw the thread's topic the bit about the 5 words came immediately to mind. Im not sure the club's going to like the replies lol

well done gents...you quickly answered to the wrong suggestion. I dont particularly blame Misson. I will be interested to see how his replacement fares but my question was asked in hope that some might realise that whilst Misson is the performance manage or whatever, it is the Football department as an overseer that takes the ultimate responsibility for the who and how they present themselves. Without doubt Misson would have had to present reports on players. So if he knew all was not well, then so would the FD. Our FD imho is without doubt the major cause and concern of this club

Actually this raises an interesting point. The Cue We don't play with a Cue. Even though one might be handy , a cue is used in games that require an understanding of the nuances of a ball and its field of play. it's about position and temperament , about the next move. Its about touch and precision. About when to go hard, when to go soft. No my friends we don't use cues. We at the MFC use another implement. One that knows grass only too well. I present to you the mallet. We aren't skilled enough for cues !!

And who's job is that i wonder

is he a roaming leading small forward you suggest ? amazing myself by thinking thats not the worst thing that could happen But the bar is set low at present.. who knows...his mates might just kick it to him

@Macca keeping the conversation interesting... Experience in and of itself only has currency if it can translate into something meaningful. Agree/Disagree ? If so...how does Nathan bring that experience to bear in any meaningful way ( positive outcome ) ? Yes we do have quite a chasm in thinking about Jones...but I truly have to wonder apart from the gusto what example he presents if he gets ball ... and then bangs ball somewhere ( invariably to the opposition ) I really wonder what benefit all that experience is.

would you put money on matching that in 2020 ?? ?

Macca...the most truly unfortunate thing about your post is that you are right...any of 12 ought to go before Jones. The difference for mine is that Nathan ought to hang up his boots as well. Ought to...but he may not. The game has gone past him and how many other teams would he be considered best 22 ?? My guess..NONE. His position at Melbourne is as much about our own malaise as it is about his own effectiveness. We need to stop continually running up the flagpole the ol' gem of he's a stalwart of the club. Even if he is, that doesnt mean you get a gig. It meas you get a thankyou and a place in our History.. You get our thanks for being there when it was indeed pretty woeful. I am always reminded it's a professional sport. Men aren't volunteering for the front...they are getting paid to perform on the highest stage this sport provides. Im sorry all it comes down to bang for buck. He's only been able to provide a glimmer because SO MANY are out. In a fashion he's doing his own Bradbury !! That and he epitomises a very basic style of game which the "Brains Trust " ( and I use that very loosely) seem very keen on. If we are to advance we need better disposers of the ball.Regardless of anyone's persuasion this has never been Nathan's forte. Irrespective of all of this , if the same folk are running our ship ( into the ground ) then he'll more than likely get another year. Other have..and I will too...you have to wonder if Clarkson would pander to him ??

In considering our coaching stock I'm reminded that Fish rot from the head down. Our real problems imho lay squarely at the senior coaching and management. The whole style and nature of our game is wrong, counterproductive and ruinous of careers ( and bodies ) Assistants are only doing the daily bidding of the senior coach(s). Our problems are more the effect of design. We have decent enough material .... its the Architecture of our game that's flawed. We need to get rid of this firm and get people who actually have an idea of what to do.This lot don't. and I would have thought there were actually quite a few Dees among those names in the OP