bush demon

1 hour ago, Macca said:

Defamation it is then.  Although a person can go to jail for up to 3 years (in this Country)  with regards to extreme cases of defamation.

Calling an umpire a cheat on live TV might not seem to all that harmful to some but Don Blew had other ideas.  And good on him for sticking up for himself.  Again,  Smith settled out of court after Don Blew sued him for defamation.

An extreme case of defamation?  I reckon maybe but such is the disdain for footy umpires in general,  most would disagree with my thoughts

Fact is the board were probably never going to back Smith re his slanderous comments and the rest is history. 

And I stand by my assertion that Smith in some ways brought about his own downfall.  But again,  great coach.

On the surface of it the Board should never have sacked him but they might have wanted to disassociate themselves from him and his actions and comments.  Why else would they sack him? 

When Don Blew blew, Norm Smith blued. Apologies  in advance for any syntax or grammatical errors.

4 hours ago, dieter said:

Um, the Barassi Ranting Method took Carlton and North Melbourne to 2 Premierships...

And Norm Smith got  South into the finals in 1970 but he had to change clubs to do that.

If you watch the '65 grand final on YouTube between StKilda and Essendon it is easy to see that the talented players were gravitating to other clubs. StKilda and Essendon were two teams that showed us up mid '65 when we were unbeaten. I think by this time the Barassi Smith ranting methodology was wearing off and we overplayed the 'if only' victim game. I also think loss of rich talent zones had a lot to do with it.

4 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

The crunch came on this day 56 years ago ...

Round 4, 1964 

St. Kilda vs Melbourne 
Saturday 9 May 
Venue: Junction Oval 
Attendance: 35,000

B Crompton Massey L Mann
HB Anderson Roet Leahy 
C Williams H Mann Adams
HF Vagg Groom Kenneally
F Barassi Bourke Townsend 
Foll Tas Johnson Wise
Rov Emselle
19/20 Jacobs Watson 

The young St Kilda side was still smarting from their loss in the previous season’s first semi final when they took on Melbourne for what turned out to be their last encounter at the Junction Oval. 

The Demons wasted their opportunities in the opening quarter with wayward kicking for goal allowing the Saints to control the game from there on taking a 16 point lead into the main break. Although they got to within five points early in the last quarter, the home side steadied to a comfortable 26 point win, leaving the Demons in mid table with a 2-2 record for the season.

St. Kilda’s charge was led by two exciting young teenagers Carl Ditterich, 18, and Ian Cooper, 17 while Ray Groom was Melbourne’s best. Half forward Barrie Vagg kicked four goals, but his impact on the team’s overall performance was lacking.
 
Veteran winger Brian Dixon who was a Liberal Party candidate for the local seat of St Kilda at the forthcoming State Election missed with a shoulder injury which might have been regarded as a blessing in disguise for him.

St. Kilda 2.1.13 7.5.47 8.11.53 13.15.93

Melbourne 1.6.12 4.7.31 6.12.48 9.13.67

Goals Vagg 4 Emselle 2 Barassi Bourke Groom 

Best Groom Anderson Roet Barassi H Mann Adams

Reserves  St Kilda 9.8.62 d. Melbourne 7.11.53

Goals Wood 2 Bartlett Bourke Carroll Matthews Slade 

Best Matthews Davis Lord

Under 19s Melbourne 17.6.108 defeated St. Kilda 6.12.48 

Goals Feldman 4 McNab Schultz 3 Osborne Marr Stone 2 Russell 

Best Griffiths Marr Pritchard

I was just starting to barrack for the Dees at this time, and on that weekend my father - an Englishman who hated aussie rules but loved soccer - took me to Olympic Park to watch Everton defeat Australia 8-2..  If only the day before I could have gone to the G and seen the amazing demons play. It was mid-season a year later that  Saint recruits Cooper and Ditterich tore us apart, ending our reign. 

On 5/2/2020 at 8:07 AM, Whispering_Jack said:

The 1964 season moved into May ...

Round 3, 1964 

Melbourne vs Carlton 
Saturday, 2 May 
Venue: MCG 
Attendance: 45,494

B Crompton Massey L Mann
HB Anderson Roet Leahy 
C Dixon H Mann Watson 
HF Groom Lord Kenneally
F Barassi Bourke Townsend 
Foll Tas Johnson Wise
Rov Emselle
19/20 Vagg Williams 

The Demons had been unconvincing in their opening two rounds and, despite their Round 2 win over North Melbourne, the selectors reacted by dropping three players in Matthews, Miller and Robbie and relegating Vagg and Williams to the bench. Future test cricketer Graeme Watson who passed away in April, 2020 was selected for his first game.

It was not a game for forwards with skipper Ron Barassi, the only player to fire up front all day. He kicked two goals himself but his strong play set up many scoring opportunities for others in the team’s 46 point victory as the visitors struggled. At the final break, they had only one goal on the board.

Evergreen stalwart Don Williams who came onto the ground in the second quarter replacing Tony Anderson (broken nose) and Dr. Brian Roet were Melbourne's best on the day. The team finished one man short after Brian Dixon (shoulder) and Barassi (cramp) left the field late in the last term.

Melbourne 2.5.17 6.10.46 8.12.60 11.13.79

Carlton 1.1.7 1.3.9 1.6.12 4.9.33

Goals Barassi Bourke Emselle Townsend 2 Groom Kenneally Lord 

Best Williams Roet Emselle Barassi Dixon Massey

Reserves Melbourne 12.13.85 defeated Carlton 10.10.70

Goals Carroll 3 Bartlett Wood 2 Foster Matthews Mounter Slade Zinko

Best Jacobs Matthews Lynch

Under 19s Melbourne 9.15.69 defeated Carlton 10.5.65 

Goals Leahy McNabb Pritchard Stone 2 Feldman 

Best Pritchard Leahy Stone

From the vault:. 

I remember Porterfield scoring the winning goal in the 1971 FA Cup, i think against Man. Utd. Sunderland were the rank underdogs.

2 hours ago, demonstone said:

Two in two days, bush demon!  Thank goodness for Google.

No, I got that one from my Beatles obsession   (Bar owner telling Beatles to "mach shau"). The other one from uni days, world war two history etc.?

1 hour ago, dieter said:

Where would you like to start?

Mueller Neitz, Ditterich, Schwartz, Obst, the Wagner lads. Mann is a German name.

Possibly Burgmann, Glass, Bill Vanthoff, Nick Pesch, Prymke, Alan KRause.

JUst for starters....

Well done.  So now you will have to name them in positions!

54 minutes ago, dieter said:

Nice one, a bit of broadening of culture. I like it. I am, of course, German. I love the sound of German words.

So did any players of German extraction mach shau with the Dees?

Although he often played injured, Barassi's '64 season catapulted us into the grandy, and ultimately the flag.  He wasn't a top performer in the finals series, but was undoubtedly the no.1 legend of the vfl, and losing him cost us our weltanschauung. there has been no viable replacement

So that would have been Barassi's first game since August, 1963.

Graham Molloy, from South Australia. A great player for the Dees in early 70s.

Jeff White, Fremantle.

oops, did JW start in Vic, go to WA and come back again?

On 4/16/2020 at 5:02 PM, demonstone said:

Where was Biffin from, spirit?  Nice list, BTW.

Tassie.

Don Williams left Melbourne late 50s or early 60s went back to play for Sale then came back to star in Melbourne's '64 premiership team.

Norm Smith left Melbourne in 1948 and played for the Royboys as coach in 1949?  He came back to Melbourne 1950s as coach. 

Gary Hardeman went to play in South Australia in the 70's then came back to play under Barassi in 1980.

3 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I don’t want to remember it

Who would have thought the players would have to wear a 22.

13 hours ago, kallangurdemon said:

 

What rubbish.

13 hours ago, kallangurdemon said:

 

The year Harley rose again.

I used to wear Paul Callery's no.35 on my jumper when I went to the footy as a kid. that's cos i was a short*rs-* as well.

4 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

Peter Weekes,

I reckon he was a mid week/season signing, maybe from VFA Club, Prahran. We were being killed in the ruck by newer, taller ruckman like Len Thompson, the new ruck prototype,and I reckon Weeksey was 6.5 in the old. Not a giant but taller than blokes like Tassie Johnson who we played in the ruck for a while at about 6.2.  Weeksey battled hard but was just that, another Demon battler.

No 25, wedged between Dillon and Parke. A very average kick.

11 hours ago, bush demon said:

 

4 hours ago, Dee-Nee said:

Chris Aitken

High Flying full forward late 60's plagued by ankle problems.

Older brother of Wilbur Wilde

Kicked 5 goals in last round of season, then disappeared with injury. 1967? 

6 hours ago, bush demon said:

Stan Alves had a biog, or autobiog. Amazingly, his first three games (under Smith) occurred at the very, very end of MFC's reign of power and he went 3-0. For the next two hundred plus games of Alves'  career the Dees were mostly a deadbeat team.

https://www.booktopia.com.au/sacked-coach-stan-alves/book/9781920910938.html