Hards

To be honest if that's true I was actually relieved when I read 4-6 weeks and not 12 months.

Yeah I really liked his interview. There was no [censored] about it, no trying to be something he's not. He was honest and came across as very intelligent.

The comments on Brad Green were interesting - said Brad was very disappointed and has been training so hard that at times he's had to pull him back a bit. I think Green might be instore for a very good year. Being dropped from the leadership group wasn't a kick in the arse he deserved, but he might use it as a bit of extra motivation this year.

Demonland Updated: 10:40 Friday 18 January FB: Fuzz demon_ruckle travis HB: Occo Madness Snake C: mickrocks cameron-the-bruce ucanchoose HF: coxy Cactus stinga FF: Hards doggo24 MelbourneFC FOL: Cribbes wise monkey Axis of Bob INT: Oxxx, Blessed_Hands, Imtoohot, david, the stynes factor, wrecker_whelan, jezzzza, hatchman, freak, Animal, Woody, Scragg, mclean4brownlow, pringle, filth, scotty -- I think that'll do us guys. No doubt a few will drop out, and that 16 on the bench will get down to 7 or 8 on game day, which is about what we want I reckon.

Demonland Updated: 15:11 Monday 14 January FB: Fuzz demon_ruckle travis HB: Occo Madness Snake C: mickrocks cameron-the-bruce ucanchoose HF: coxy Cactus stinga FF: Hards doggo24 MelbourneFC FOL: Cribbes wise monkey Axis of Bob INT: Oxxx, Blessed_Hands, Imtoohot, david, the stynes factor, wrecker_whelan, jezzzza, hatchman, freak, Animal, Woody, Scragg, mclean4brownlow 13 on the bench, WOW

Again, take off what we're getting from the sponsor we have at the moment that you're going to replace...

Demonland Updated: 10:10am Friday 11 January FB: Fuzz demon_ruckle travis HB: Occo Madness Snake C: mickrocks cameron-the-bruce ucanchoose HF: coxy Cactus stinga FF: Hards doggo24 MelbourneFC FOL: Cribbes wise monkey Axis of Bob INT: Oxxx, Blessed_Hands, Imtoohot, david, the stynes factor, wrecker_whelan, jezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzza, hatchman, freak, Animal, Woody, Duthie

Because sponsorship isn't only about avertising space on the jumper, shorts and foreheads of the guys on the field. Collingwood's deal with the TAC use to contain a jumper space element, when they got a better deal with Emerites, they replaced the jumper element with the commericals that were used on TV, as well as Pies players making more public appearances at TAC associated causes. They also still had significant signage at Collingwood games, which due to the added exposure of being attached to Collingwood was still considered effective advertising. If you think we'd get the same deal as Collingwood then you are absolutely kidding yourself. That's not being negative, it's being real. If it was so simple that we could just get whatever we wanted out of deals then we'd be sweet, but it's not the case.

Exactly, so instead of adding 500k you're adding the difference between that and what we're currently getting.

Where are you going to place the sponsorship? Tattoo it to the players foreheads? Write it down their arms like the boxers do on their backs? :D You don't just lose the 500k, the negative publicity impacts on the next sponsorship deals if you aren't a club with a big enough base to push past it like Collingwood

Can't believe they didn't give Cheney 42 or at the very least demote Bate to 42 to continue the redhead tradition for the great number

Yeah our ruckman is 6"8ish, so that'll help :D

It's not about negative messages Jack, and if you've ever read my posts you'll know that I'm far more positive than many of the posters on here, however it comes down to the simple fact that every club has players that makes stupid mistakes, and when you have a 500k+ sponsorship hanging over their heads the ramifications are incredibly significant. It's not just drink driving (Sharod Wellingham, Chad Morrison), it's speeding (Cameron Cloke), it's breaking general road rules (Brodie Holland), it's stuff that if the general person did it they'd cop a minimal fine. An AFL player from a club sponsored by the TAC does it and it costs the player $5k and the clubs 100 times that. Earlier this summer Scott Thompson got done in Adelaide for doing burnouts and crashing his car. If the Crows were sponsored by the TAC, it puts the sponsorship into jepordy, even for a relatively minor infringment of the law. It's easy to sit here and say oh yeah it'll be fine we'll just make sure our players don't stuff up - in practice it's much harder than that. TAC aren't the only sponsorship option out there Jack.

In general I'm against the TAC sponsoring any footy club. It's a no win situation for the club and its a waste of money for the commission. I'd rather we didn't have it. It might be half a mill but all it takes in one incident to throw the whole thing into chaos, and then you've got the flow on effect from the negative publicity you get from someone drink driving and costing us a TAC sponsorship. It's nieve to think it wouldn't happen, it happens at every club. The pressure of it potentially impacting a major club sponsor didn't stop Sharrod Wellingham or Royce Vardy.

Demonland Updated: 1am Thursday 10 January FB: Fuzz demon_ruckle travis HB: Occo Madness Snake C: mickrocks cameron-the-bruce ucanchoose HF: coxy Cactus stinga FF: Hards doggo24 MelbourneFC FOL: Cribbes wise monkey Axis of Bob INT: Oxxx, Blessed_Hands*, Imtoohot, david, cribbes mates (x3), the stynes factor, wrecker_whelan, jezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzza In regards to the ground, I've been around Glenferrie a bit, it's actually not that bad at the moment, that week of decent rain we had did it the world of good. How it'll be in a month when we're hitting 40 degrees every day though... We've got time, we'll keep our options open, but at least its a decent backup.

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Of Grybas/Melbourne moments I still have on tape the game against Freo in 04 (Brock's debut) where it bucketed raining in the second half and Vardy kicked a few goals to win it in the last quarter. He kicks one from the boundary that Clinton called perfectly. His entire last quarter call was brilliant.

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From the other thead: Melbournemartian Stinga Wise Stynes factor Doggo24 Coxy Plus madness and ucanchoose from this thead. You guys and others when you put your name down put down a position as well and I'll start slotting them into place.

I'm going to lock this one up so that we don't have two threads running on the same thing - if you want to play chuck your name down in the other thread! Hards :D

I am shattered, absolutely shattered. I always wanted to work with him but unfortuantely never got the chance. He was the best commentator in the business bar none, radio or tv, he was brilliant at both. Don't know what else to say

Sad to hear. RIP

I'm back and in for whenever

I thought we knew we were paying some his salary for 08 after the trade. This is just an accounting dispute. No new info.