Wolfmother

I think they have only caught up once but said here my number if you need to talk to someone away from the club. Gary told Tom he won't be coaching he earns more now and has less stress. He said senior coaches live and breath football every second of the day and he admires their commitment but thats not him.

TS already has a third party agreement possible two and I think a few players and north have them always so I think you might be wrong on that point.

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http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=90852 This is why the club are prepared to pay him big bickies

Now your bringing Jimmy into your arguments... seriously

Right in the centre of crown is the sports bar that has three huge screens which the football will be on.. The other is the steak house which is the old All stars cafe... it has all the sports going (eight screens with three main projector screens) and the most popular usually has the sounds so that will most likely be the AFL game (the steak house is near the cinema at the south wharf end

Sorry Fan rather than us all PM you can you explain the reasons in public If RR, BB59 and RobbieF want to argue with Kento, Rcfc, nasher etc who cares it isn't hurting anyone

You and me both would advise Tom differently but he is know stubbornly going to wait (confirmed by him that he is stubborn) mainly because he said he hadn't had an offer which he was lying and he said he would wait and he won't lie about that either (don't know if I agree with his decision there but again I have spoken to him since the GWS offer was announced) Everything he says points to him staying but waiting until the end of the year also points to taking a GWS offer as you can't announce your leaving mid season, but I don't think that's how Tom is seeing it... Hopefully if he does resign he gives everyone a bake in the press conference about doubting him

Its not just Ox and Barrett, it includes Stevens, Sheehan and McGuire

Its because it doesn't matter what he says they will write what they want and people like you won't believe him regardless... He spoke to me about the media conference that the MFC media manager wanted him to do (also the fact that got into the media because he hadn't told anyone about the conversation with our media guy although I clarified how that could of happened)... He refused not because he had something to hide but because he thought it was a bad idea... He said I'll be giving one of these every week because the media keeps writing about it (although when we had a be this topic nearly got off the front page of the forum) so do I have to address every rumour that is published?? (smart kid) I have stated my position at the start of the year. I haven't signed anything blah blah read his press conference. Does that answer your question

He didn't demand a think stated he doesn't want to discuss contracts until the end of the year, he never said he won't play unless you pay me XXXX for all you know Tom may have been comfortable playing for 300K next season but the club has decided he is worth more.... get it the CLUB made the offer He also has requested not to know the GWS offer (besides the media reports) his management have told him it is substantial and it is worth consideration they have not sent him the offer (I know you are going to say this doesn't happen in the real world but you'll need to back that up as I can). This is so he doesn't have to consider it and let it interfere with football of course rounds 23 and 24 he'll start going over the details. The kid may have to knock back 400K a year to play with Melbourne which is a huge possibility so don't you think he wants to take his time to ensure that is the right decision for him as there will never be another situation like this (with hugely inflated salary caps as even in free agency all the clubs will have a salary cap they are 92.5% committed to)

I'm his elite player sponsor at the club

I'm 98e% sure if the bloke didn't have bung knees he would of been a superstar

Yeah laughs at me all the time... Got on here with him and Jack Fitzpatrick last year and they couldn't believe the amount of reporting on pre-season training, analysis of games they thought it was pretty funny that people paid them so much attention (you forgot they are kids) Most of the stuff I post isn't news breaking and I wouldn't put alot of stuff on here that we talk about because everyone would have a heart attack that the kid might have an opinion of something that isn't the standard yes/no one game at a time answer. 'm just backing up the media profile with what I see in person as I think alot on here have smashed him because its not what they would do

Can you please point me to the place where Scully has made a demand.... Sylvia has and said the offer you have put to me isn't acceptable maybe give him a kick in the ass.

Sorry mate missed the question Why he hasn't signed I have no idea.... why he hasn't found out GWS offer I have no idea.... Will he wait to the end of the end, I pretty certain he will maybe because he will announce that he is going I have no idea. In a past life I was a copper, I was regularly interviewing crooks as I was more into the crime side of the police force. I have tried to catch him out in many ways and with many different discussion to see if he is lying or any indication that he might be going and I haven't seen anything to make me think that he has already made a decision to go, all the language/talk (this is not the obvious are you going or staying questions but secondary language) points to staying. Like I have stated before I don't believe it as I think the money will be too much, but my read is on staying... .either that or Tom's a better liar that 25year crooks who nothing else for a living....

I truly wish I knew but even when I spoke to him a couple of weeks ago (although there were no offers) he said he will stay his course because that is the plan that he agreed to and will follow his word. In the same conversation he did ask are supporters getting angry at him for waiting (similar to Cam.S why don't they believe my words) because he can't understand why he has to let outside influence effect his timeframe. I'm never going to part of his inner circle that will look at both offers and do the pros and cons. This type of situation which the AFL has created will only come once in their career which as he said ' 18 months ago I was hoping to play a game of AFL now I will have to make the biggest decision of my life'. Overall he wants to stay a demon but at certain level the money becomes to good to refuse its up to GWS if they want to may him that. You asked what is he like which I rudely haven't replied yet.... He is a mature young kid that loves football, never have I thought money was his driver but he is trying to rapidly adjust to a life that is played out in the media, the harsh reality of professional football (Jnr Macs departure was sudden and brutal and made them realise how good you can be playing and still get the axe without seeing it coming(them being the younger footballers)) and the fishbowl that is the AFL. He has rapidly changed in the past 12 months since he started and this year will be another huge learning curve. Its the sort of person you want on your team as you know he will do everything possible to succeed.

In response to the few that think MFC haven't put themselves in the position. Tom and his management made it clear that they wouldn't make a decision to the end of the season. Melbourne could still produce this offer in round 23 but they choose to bring it forward to round 15 hence their is now an offer from GWS as well (looks like the AFL have thrown out the rule book again about mid season approaches). I have no issue with the MFC talking turkey with the management as that's their job. But now as you can see from this board people are stating that he should bring the decision forward because of special circumstances and that him waiting is dis-stabilizing the club well the MFC created these special circumstances by tabling the offer early hence they have themselves to blame if it is 'actually' causing issues within the club (I doubt it is).

Sorry mate nothing from a couple of weeks ago was to catch up for dinner but lost my phone at the bulldogs game and only got it replaced today. All the small things he states seem to me like he is staying at melbourne but I don't really want to believe it as the money seems to much.

How hasn't he... he wants to wait until the end of his contract to look at a new contract their is nothing much in it besides the media beat up

people need to remember that TOM HASN'T DEMANDED A THING!!!! the offers are from the MFC and what they think he's worth. I know for a fact he's not very keen on third party deals and opportunity that other players are getting because he wants to be only one player at the club not the only player at the club. If everyone respected his decision to wait until the end of the season then this wouldn't of happened. The MFC only have themselves to blame for making an offer at the Hall of Fame dinner.

If Tom signs with MFC will their not be speculation with Trengove, Gysbert et al next year. They thought he would be a better position to negotiate at the end of his first contract rather than take a small increase over three years which was what the extension was about but still didn't put him outside the moving to GWS (which is a huge bargaining chip, and if he goes means the MFC have the uphand next year when over 50% of the list comes out of contract) Trengove most likely extended the contract and instead of being on 110K and 130K a season he is on 200K a season. So in his third season he is actually on 360K a season which is the standard size contract. If the 600K offer is true Scully made a better decision to wait.

Can we combine the old thread and maybe get 3000

If something hasn't occurred how besides denial of said subject could you possible produce evidence. As someone who has produce many brief of evidences for court your statement has no logic

I think I can say with certainty that he hasn't signed the only people that says he has are people with impeccable sources??? So until they name them I think you should show a little respect. The club doesn't speak to the players about contracts or extensions. Just because you don't believe it (like that fact he hasn't sign or looked at offers) that doesn't mean that its the case. Although the club put pressure on Tom to extend last year it was all on his management no one from the club approached him directly. The football department don;t want contracts ruining the year as players are always coming out of contract hence they don't involve themselves in any of that.