Hellfire Dub

Caro-Lying hates the Demons and uses every opportunity to get the boot in. Sure our club is not exemplary, but she really hates us. I listen to her Age Real Footy podcast and lots of her other content is good because she gets inside information from clubs. However in the past two years I've heard her bring up the old tanking scandal when there's been discussion about Petracca's injury etc. It's a big hobby horse of hers and this Bucks interference is shoddy behaviour that needs to be called out as an unacceptable personal agenda. In fairness there are few sacred cows on Demonland and we have a go at plenty of AFL related personalities and lots of it is justified. It's not sexist to criticise poor performance in the media and most of it limited to those who deserve it: For example Kellie really only annoys me when she does her full-on Bogan-male growls trying to whip up excitement. She doesn't need to try so hard to sound like Browny to be a good commentator. By contrast Daisy is a well-spoken and insightful commentator who I'd much prefer listening to more of. Jonesy, Abbie, Erin and Kath all do a good job with intelligence, character and good humour compared to the smug naked bias of Pavlich or Eddie. Jack Riewoldt is totally wooden, but he's less offensive than the boorish buffoonery of BT. I can't stand Brereton though, wow if ever there was someone for mansplaining and condescension that's him. And like Caroline he HATES the Demons! He's only a few notches below Sam Newman for my most objectionable talking head. Smarmy would be down there in the pit of unpopularity with biased Umpire 22 Nathan Williamson who also hates the Demons. I think it's more scattergun than sexism.

Their jumpers this year have been really poo-rly designed. I made and shared this before when their logo looked like the poo emoji

Then I can go back to visit family in the Fair City as happy as Larry

Caro-Lying has heard plenty of justified criticism of Bevo from Kornado about how his great list have underperformed for many seasons. I'm sure she's said the same herself on the real footy podcast. Despite this she frequently says Bevo should be our coach instead of Bucks or almost anyone else. I'm starting to suspect she might not have our best interests as a club in her heart! Does anyone else think her agenda might be to burden us with a mediocre coach who will have us languishing mid-table!?

A offensive defender with the motto: "let nothing true"

I agree, I really enjoyed watching us against the Dogs and I think we're capable of way better than our game against the Hawks. Our level is much better than that

It's not a vibe test and the proximity to the line and expected score is because of late goals when the Hawks backed off. We got 4 in the last quarter to match our 4 from the first three quarters. 23 minutes into the fourth quarter they were 13 goals to 5. Roughly 8 goals ahead. That's what I'm referring to. If they'd kept their momentum they could have made the century or so and won by 10 goals. We were nowhere near and it could have been a hammering. It's admirable that it wasn't but at that point late in the fourth Hawks had 27 scoring shots to our 11. It ended up being 27 scores to 16. I know what game I was watching and it was one of the most boring ones I've endured. We rarely looked like scoring for the first three quarters.

Discounting total misses or shots that fell short we both had almost exactly 50% goals to behinds. In an ideal world where both teams had scored all theirs it would be 162 to 96 or a 10 goal loss. These figures include nine fourth quarter scores after the contest was done which amounted to junk time goals and a semblance of respectability. So at three quarter time they were already six goals ahead and they let us get four back to save our embarrassment. The stats obsession is mad, but if you're going to make that argument at least be fair and consider it up until 3/4 time when the game was beyond doubt for Hawthorn. The stats that count are the scoreboard and the final tally so I've posted that here. Most fans can honestly and reluctantly admit that was an awful spectacle. We were nowhere near them and after five minutes we were never going to win that game.

I agree on the skills and structures, but we need to be honest and say the main reason that wasn't a 10 plus goal blowout was because the Hawks missed so many gettable shots.

I went right up the top of the city end for the second half of the Hawks game and had a great view down the ground. Their patterns were slicing at angles and bypassing players guarding ground, but their passing had a hypnotic quality like an 80s arcade computer game. When the hawks kicked to their team mates it reminded me of when the pinball flippers or the paddle in bricks became magnetic and the ball just stuck. It seemed like we couldn't mark anything unless it was chipped around uncontested in our defensive 50.

My view of Petracca has changed and I know some of you will hate this, but I don't see Petracca as a "consummate professional". I make allowance for his injury and recovery, but my altered opinion is based on all the following: the wantaway goings-on, the disparaging of the club that discouraged trades in, the negative body language, the selfishness and the horrible field and goal kicking that never improves. Seriously he's not a good forward, I think he adds even less when he's playing there. He may take a few marks but I bet nobody is confident when he's lining up for a set shot. He's only getting a run up front because his output is down and we're short of players who can actually play forward. If you demand so much money that you cost the team in potential talent then you have to prove you're worth it. Max provides great service in the ruck for Christian to hack if forward to a static contest against multiple tall defenders. Then it comes skating back past him through the corridor. Most of these aspects were evident before Arseknee Moore nailed him with what's becoming trademark sniping. Back then the rest of the team and in particular our stingy defence could contain and conceal it. He really went down in my opinion after all his whinging and undermining the club. Roffey, Pert or Goody didn't knee him in the spleen. Why blame them for badly handling the attack/carelessness by a Collingwood scumbag? At this stage I'd be happy for him to show some maturity and honour either by proving his worth or by lowering his demands and going elsewhere on reasonable terms.

I sat behind the goals on level 1 until half time and level 4 till 3/4 time. I think that's the lowest Demon contingent I've ever seen at the G and can you blame fans for not showing up when the professionals didn't want to be there. I was surrounded by 5h1t3 hawks everywhere and the sound of their bandwagon rolling along. I normally stay till the bitter ends but today was the first day I left at 3/4 time when we had just 4 goals on the board. Abysmal performance and negligible pride.

Christian Petracca?

If he keeps progressing then Harvey Langford will be a candidate