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Not sure what our overall strategy is. Tim Lamb said we're only taking two ND picks which currently makes sense with 4 out (Jackson, Bedford, Rosman, Hunt) and 2 in (Grundy and Chandler upgrade). But we only have one useful ND pick at 27 - 54 is not a useful draft pick because we traded out earlier ones on the basis we won't use them. 27 is surely earmarked for the Grundy trade somehow. So we're short 2 2022 ND picks. The Jackson trade is currently only going to produce 13 and (hopefully) some future picks. Not sure where the other 2022 ND pick is coming from? We'd either need to get two from Freo - 13 and one via a Lobb trade with the Dogs, or trade a F1st for a 2022 pick. The other moving part is the Bedford pick, maybe we can trade a F1st to GWS for Bedford and a 2022 1st? A lot to play out ...

Tomlinson for Bruce - he's actually listed at 197cm which surprised me. 30y3m old.

Tomlinson for Bruce - I've heard worse ideas ...

Well it can't be that now after Geelong's future pick trade with Brisbane, you're right. Shaping to be F3rd - that's a shocker!

Well that means Geelong can't trade their F1st in the Bowes deal now, looking at F3rd?

It'll be fascinating to see what Geelong send back.

Freo already have 2 F2nds don't they - their own and North's - so this doesn't affect the Jackson trade because they can already offer a F1st + F2nd.

Some things are private.

I don't think those bids really matter though Luci because we're not taking Fletcher or Davey anyway so our pick, player-wise, is effectively the same as traded, the F/Ss just slot in.

Agree. As unfair as it seems Freo just have to outbid WC who aren't bidding. There's no way I'd let LJ go to the PSD to prove a point and leave 2 1sts on the table. We may get a late sweetener but It won't be North's F2nd.

If Petty was going forward I don't think we'd be so open to trading Tomlinson. And as @Lil_red_fire_engine says I think Petty saves more goals back than he'll create forward. It will be interesting to see who's training where in the NY.

For me, there's been sufficient hints that there are undisclosed personal reasons driving LJ back to WA.

He'd need to be a nice Wayne Carey to justify what we'd have to trade to get him.

They wanted 30 + 39 back - it was a total rip off. Then they traded the 1st away! Brisbane far worse than Freo.

No WC and Freo hate each other

I'd rather be us with Jackson than the Dogs with Dunkley. That deal looks very hard to get done now with anything reasonable to the Dogs.

Cal Twomey said Tomlinson has 2 years to go on his contract and Deledio didn't correct him so I think that sounds the case - @Lucifers Hero They're actually in the hands of another club wanting Tomlinson, I'm sure we'd do the deal to free the cap.

Death riding them ... Look if WC somehow get 8 in mooted JHF deal they're likely to offer something like 8 + F2nd for LJ vs Freo's 13 + F1st. Then what are we going to do? Ask both of them for a sweetener but it won't be much.

Ultimately we'll have to take 13 + F1st if WC can't bid Freo up to improve it. I wouldn't force LJ to the PSD to make a point if that's the final offer, I'd take it and move on.

Yes but he's probably not getting to Geelong via the PSD.

They'll have to give something decent back to GC for 7 + Bowes - probably F1st. Then what are they using for Bruhn and Henry? Will take 18 and ? I don't think they're getting Henry done, that sounds like it's being driven by Henry more than the Cats and Collingwood want to keep him.

13 + F1st + North's F2nd for Jackson + our F2nd + Brisbane's F2nd (from GWS for Toby). That would be similar to the Jeremy Cameron trade. Edit: that can't happen because I got the GWS - Brisbane swap around the wrong way. But maybe we can get something for Toby to make this work, e.g. Richmond's 31 via the Hopper trade.

Got the GWS - Brisbane swap around the wrong way, ignore me ...

I think GWS want to keep that pick. If they split the draft over 2 nights the bidding for 19 can become a frenzy if players "slide". It's worth a lot more than 20.

19 is a valuable pick on draft night.