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WHACK, I'll slink off with my tail between my legs now and with my self - righteousness in tatters. The posts before Dee Z were less than inspiring in their analysis. That didn't mean other people didn't read and understand what the gist was, just that they didn't post a reply. As things transpired I thought the thread has ultimately evoked some great and and thoughtful analysis including yours ( I think I was the first to like your contribution). Some of that response has helped me modify some of my opinions and reconsider some of the underlying factors. This is a great site but I always preferred "Ology in the early days as there were less posters but the content was more considered and there wasn't the egos that we have here. On here, I have a habit of throwing a metaphorical hand grenade in to see who throws themselves on it. All being keyboard users on here we don't get the feedback and nuance of face to face communication so it takes time to sort out those who have substance and opinions that are well thought out and articulated. I know some people can find my style on here abrasive and condescending and I do take ownership of that. Unfortunately, I don't care much about a Muppet's feelings (and no I don't think you are a Muppet ). Now many people will take offence at that and I admit it is a character flaw that has become more obvious as I get older. I was told by a mentor many years ago to surround myself with people who have a positive mindset that you can learn from. I realise I should probably infiltrate the Richmond and Collingwood forums and put my traits to better use but what the heck, it would be like shooting fish in a barrel. If you want to take on the defense of others on here that is a matter for you.

As DL hasn't replied I'll have a crack! You appear self aware so you're not a narcissist. You should be able to move into the 3% category although your ability to stay there is subject to a number of factors. Expect an Invoice

It's always interesting starting a thread on here and stirring the pot with a throw away line or two. But I need to be careful if I don't want the point of the thread to be missed. Sad really that it's taken till Dee Z to understand what the thread was about. I have to take some ownership of that. The thread was supposed to be about unintended variables/ consequences (there was a hint in the title) and how that could effect the way we play. Also, that time playing and playing together appears to be the most likely way of addressing the issues. The comment to Lord Nev about his relationship to SWYL somewhat derailed the thread, although there are striking similarities. Waldorf and Statler come to mind.

I should have asked before, are you related to SWYL? He has a habit of scanning a post and picking out something he can throw barbs at and ignores the parts he might agree with. In your case did you not read the last line of my post? The challenge will be how quickly Goody can get everyone on the same page. Now that's not a let off. The issues I spoke of can't be fixed at halftime by an address by the coach and to think otherwise just puts you squarely in the 97%. As if I need to point out anything else but WTF. Your opening comments really say a lot about you. "Goodwin's failed game plan has been replaced by Goodwin making the players doubt themselves" So are you saying Goodwin shouldn't have tried to rectify as you say the failed game plan? (Personally I think it needs to be tweaked and players added to be successful). I didn't say anything about making the players doubt themselves, but we had 9 players who had played less than 20 games together, 3 that were playing in the side for the first time, should I go on. You seem to think that the side should instantly be like Richmond and everyone should be on the same page. "it's compounded by Goodwin not picking a consistent lineup" well yes, in a way but that would be because we are trying to fix things wouldn't it?, "but we're relying on these issues to "resolve themselves"? That's not what I said, I said given sufficient time (like Bucks and Hardwick) Goodwin should be able resolve the issues ie getting everyone on the same page. I'm not suggesting Goody be given a free ride but I don't see any option other than staying the course and you have indicated you don't think he should be sacked, so what exactly do you want him do?

That will be the 97% I spoke of that John Demonic disagrees about (I think he believes he is in the 3% so he was offended). Mind you I wasn't thinking of him when I wrote the comment. He may paint himself into that position if he keeps up those kind of comments. It reminds me of a conversation I had a long time ago with a mate (admittedly he is a Carlton supporter so factor that in). We were talking about politics and the great unwashed. I was saying the average Australian is a sheep (or just not as smart as they think they are). This was something he vigorously disputed. In marketing, the population is catagorised as 10% innovators, 10% early adapters and 80% sheep. That's why marketing of new products is done towards that top 20% and then after that the rest just follows along. There is a little get out clause in that many can move from category to category at times depending on the subject matter and the level of understanding/ expertise. I've been in the sheep/ ignorant category many times but I try hard to be open minded and get myself out of the majority group think. That's often why I'm not very popular (yes, yes, there are other reasons). To add to my original comments, I've now watched the game again and will acknowledge that what I said wasn't really as prevalent as I thought in the the later part of the 2nd qtr and the 3rd. However what I did see was another consequence of our slower play and that was a drop in intensity. It will take time for the team to gel and get the phases and intensity right. To simply say that this is all Goodwin's fault and that he is not up to it is naive and is basically bleating from the sheep.

Just watched Gawn on 360 and picked up a little something that only people who are involved at the coal face and are clear about what is being coached/ instructed can talk about. Some of the more astute on here (about 3%) have noticed the change in the direction to "play on at all cost/ chaos football". This has been evident at times and is most likely the result of what many believe is the waste of our inside 50 entries by bombing it in long - The CAUSE. To address this the players have been told to slow down a little and be more measured (not exactly Max's words but near enough) - The TREATMENT In Max's comments on 360 he has alluded to the players thinking too much about the above instruction and when they were challenged by Carlton instead of adapting to the new rhythm/pace of the game they simply stuck to their instructions. - The CONSEQUENCE I think this shows we are trying to rectify our shortcoming but much like the AFL we don't always see the potential ramifications of changes. I would hope that Richardson in his role is always the one to question changes and look at what might be the potential effects of introducing those changes. In writing this I've realised we're trying to get a cohesive 22 play together and many of them have played together very little. If you look at how Richmond, Collingwood and WC play "together" I think it's more an effect of time spent out on the field. In some respect how many players we have available (many of which are new to the Club) may be compounding the problem. There is already a big question over Goody however if he is given as much time as Buckley and Hardwick some of the issues should resolve themselves. The challenge will be how quickly Goody can get everyone on the same page.

Craap OD, do you have the Covid?

I did

If you can bother reading the thread you might find an answer

Should also be suspended for a week for not using proper hygiene protocols.

Just had a quick look at the Rules and I think you are correct. Only a bit of conjecture over the circumstances ( illness, personal circumstances etc). It is mute regarding suspensions. If we are able to bring a non-emergency in I think it is most likely to be ANB as it is as much forward pressure as goal kicking we miss with Kosssi going out.

Or Craig Bellamy

Mon Dieu, we should be ashamed tolerating those bigoted Australians and New Zealanders! We should sink a boat or test another nuclear bomb in their backyard to teach them respect!

Arh, the old don't argue with fools, they will beat you with their experience ... so true!

Uumm .... because Pom's are clueless? Apologies to Saty!

Lets re-visit this shall we? With a different deck and a different opposition.

Now, now, Saty, that smacks a little of a hypocritical Pom (please don't take that as a racist comment, I'm just being correct in my opinion). I agree there is a minority of people in Australia that hold what I think are racist views but the emphasis is on minority. Please feel free to return to the UK where you could educate your majority Empire bigots on how it should be done. Although coming back from the colonies you might not receive such a caring response as you do here. .

I saw this comment and immediately thought of BBO and then I castigated myself for Bitters would never be so crass.

If you go to the Club website and look at the FIFA Players Tournament - Lever Vs Salem you will see Lever with a bag of ice on his knee. I'm assuming they will wait to see if it has settled down. He could've just had a knock on it.

No there won't, we play Saturday which means no extended bench can be named Thursday night

But silky skills is still silky skills.

None of which should be used as vindication for you calling me self-righteous earlier this year. (Does that sound self-righteous?), he said ringing his hands in angst.

I watched the 2017 QB game today and I had forgotten how well OMac played. In particular his marking was a real feature of his game. It is so absent in his game today where his first option is always to spoil and he doesn't seem to have the same attack on the ball. I wonder if this has been coached out of him in the desire to play safe football (and the coach to retain employment). This could also have a detrimental effect on confidence and concentration, if it was one of his strengths and a natural thing for him to do. I find myself ruminating over this and hope it is not something that the coaches adopt widely.

As someone said earlier, perhaps it's the other way around and his sense around stoppages and his delivery skills into the forward line might be the best use of what will be managed/ limited game time. Avoiding some of the high acceleration/ deceleration stuff a forward does could be a good thing.

Don't think it would do Clarry any harm to be accountable and could see him rise to the occasion.