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Yeah, there are some that equate the failure of Toumpas and other kids to a judgment on the SANFL itself - it's not that simple.

Well said, grazman. I just really want to move on - no more mention of it from Roos or Jackson - and just look to the last two games and this coming summer where Roos has his last chance to put his last imprimatur on the list. Getting better will help all that has been spoken about, in fact, it's the only real remedy - not waffling critiques or forced apologies. Winning games of footy heals all wounds.

There's nothing wrong with the SANFL - we just recruited the third best player from the NEAFL and he would be lower than in the SANFL. The problem with recruiting kids based on promising SANFL or WAFL performances is that they are not shouldering load - they are bit players playing a role that may mean getting footy more easily than it would be if they were the focus of the opposition like they would be in juniors.

The timing is appalling but he is talks out of clumsy sympathy, not whatever motive you and others are attaching to it. Whenever he talks about the fans he is trying to tell a tortured story to the football masses that he, himself, is slowly coming to terms with. He loves to critique things - I think we can all agree on that. And his continued mentions in 2014 to the scars of the past is testament to that - that last line of his in that quote about 'being sick of talking about it' is a reference to that tired argument I think you would agree. Another irony is that this quote looks like the statement of someone who wants to stop talking about the past he inherited but had no involvement in. Now he has thrown himself into it - that I agree with - he has thrown himself in there like a good Demon... But we are - with the help of a few in the media - are smelling blood that will lead to self defeating conclusions if we don't back off.

Ah, yes, the 'direct quote' of the notorious waffler. He spoke of the vibe of the club, that we are a part of, and we are a part of the club aren't we?, has affected some of the players. He did not say that we are the reason why we lose - only that we expect to, and that some players feel the same, and in the very next breath that I quoted and you didn't, he said that those players need to get over that mindset and that he is sick of talking about it.

The irony in all this is that he mentions us to convey that he gets the emails, the letters - and that he sympathises with what he has only had to deal with for 42 games. He waxes lyrical in an attempt to let people 'in' on what Dees fans have had to put up with and how painted on the failures of the past are. We have taken what he has said to the worst possible extreme of him pushing blame onto us for how bad we are. How can anyone think that a special coach like Roos, in his right mind, would think that? It wasn't eloquent, it wasn't concise, it wasn't proof read by rpfc - but it was a bloke who is better connecting to footy players than fanbases trying to say 'he gets it' when Dees fans tell him 'we have waited too long.' Cut the Demon some slack.

Yeah, clint bizkit linked to it the other thread. Don't agree, and forcing hollow apologies for things he didn't mean is a very Melbourne way to embarrass a coach and distract the club. But, yeah, [censored] it, we are a joke, why don't we continue bringing the laughs for others. Edit: There is that casual syndrome again...

He is not 'bang on' - Roos was not blaming us for our predicament - he waffled his way to a critique of the mindset of Dees fans and he happened to do it after a terrible loss and with regard to fans saying we would lose on the weekend. We are the ones attaching causation to his remarks. I think we should do something very un-Melbourne like and take the 'slight' on the chin and leave it. Asking for a public apology for calling us negative is more than excessive - it's ignoring the truth in his remarks.

That was an up and down trade and draft period - I remember being emotionally invested in Wines and then turning on a dime to support Toumpas - I think we all hope we can salvage a player there... But getting Hogan for ND3 (and a slide from ND13 to ND20) and Viney at ND26 are huge wins. Those two competitive blokes will drive the club for a decade. *Those that immediately thought "if we can keep Hogan" - that is the negative mindset that irritates Roos.

'Pretty bloody directly?' - he mentioned the word 'vibe' FCS, and that the 'vibe' of the place rubs off on the players. Sounds a great deal like The Scar argument to me. The fans expecting to lose are indicative of the 'vibe' of the place - still trying to find the place where he says we are the cause of the 'vibe.' And the rest of the quote is all about The Scar argument - as he references the fact that he is sick of talking about it: Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/negativity-comes-from-melbourne-fans-not-club-coach-paul-roos-20150825-gj7jt6.html#ixzz3jvIx52YD The only thing he is sick of talking about and we are sick of hearing about is The Scar argument. He may have said it all clumsily and vaguely but he doesn't think Ned from Carnegie riding in thinking we will lose is the reason we lose... That's the kind of nonsense you usually boorishly rail against.

That's the 'scar' rigamarole that we have discussed even before he came to the club isn't it? And the very next thing he said was that he was sick of talking about that crap.

Roos never said it did. He went off on one of his mental derailments to pontificate on our syndrome, others have equated it as an excuse for the players and himself. Ironically enough, if you want to snore through other episodes of 360 after losses, he usually says "the coaching staff has to get better" blah blah blah.

Stop bringing up that game. It's relevance is only getting lower and lower. As you said - 5 years ago...

He's trying to walk back to save your thin skin.

I have casual MFCSS. Like after we won in Geelong I thought to myself - "Well, they will never let us win there for a decade." As if there is a person on here that doesn't have the syndrome... We are just aware of it.

I find your comments offensive, destructive and unproductive. What should we do with you? Listen to you, and not have such thin skin?

Even our new 'best player' Bernie Vince had 24 Uncontested Possies a month ago against Collingwood and had 7 against Carlton. UPs are a measure of work and effort to get the ball in space. So that attitude is even evident in our best players, and the ones that will be a part of our resurgence in the next couple of years. The question is - how much is Roos to blame for renowned professionals like Bernie not displaying consistent effort?

Do you watch AFL360? Because he is usually overtly boring and takes ownership for all the nonsense with the obligatory "we have go to do better as a coaching staff" and then meanders around a point about modern footy relationships for 10 minutes while Robinson tries to collect his drunken thoughts amidst the confusion. The media has picked up on what he said coz they knew we would smell blood and have thrown it out to us, and haven't we loved it?

You, stmj, and jnrmac really think that? That I pick the lowest expectations as what can be achieved? I was backing Watts to come good when you were still calling him a 'girl.' I have taught myself not to get carried away in either direction with bitter experience over the last decade but it was absolutely absurd to think that the team that played so well down at Mordor, could carry that through the rest of the season. I would mirror that amazing performance with the threads on here before that game that were full of some of the most egregious expectation lowering to mitigate the impending disappointment of another loss. What is so wrong with having a consistent view of what this team can and can't do that doesn't change based on last week?

That's a much healthier stance than those that just want to trade him 'for a bag of chips.' He has been good for a couple of months now while more highly touted 'stars' are crashing and burning the place down. Of course he is tradeable but he is also becoming more and more valuable as a footy player.

Or those that just see it as list management decision made with facts in hand and reason. I agree that that is how we will see it but it would be best to stop seeing everything through a predetermined lens.

Roos is responsible for a maximum of 34 of those losses... Why are losses in 2007 so relevant to our mindset? The reaction of Demonland is largely proving his point.

How about we not eat another Demon alive and let Roos off the hook?

That is not blaming the fans for losses. That is a part of the 'scar' argument that most on here attested to being true and our now sick of talking about - which happens to the last thing you have quoted Roos to have said. He is sick of talking about the scars of the past, and yet when he sneers at our attitude - what do we bring up? The last decade, the last 50 years. We are the ones stuck in the awful past. The present isn't great but we are attaching that awful past ourselves - not Roos.

In light of the 'debacle' of this season - it is interesting to note that Roos will push the amount of players he has moved on to over 30 this summer. There are 44 places on the list... ...