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18 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:
Yes but we finally worked out that it’s not clearances that matter as much as post clearance contested ball and the quality of the clearances. We set up defensively at stoppages and our aim is to win big or lose small. I’m not convinced Dunstan helps that philosophy as he’s more of a win small type player compared with our big 3 and even Harmes and Sparrow who have power to push through a pack. I’m sure the idea is he helps with the lose small part by chasing and tackling and can get first hands on to help win. Can he learn our quick hands and feet from congestion game?
I think our quick long slightly in board of the square direct kicks to talls on the flanks sets up our vital contest, then springs deep forwards open. That we can score and defend that kick is really our attacking game plan. And it’s the power and speed of our mids to get to those drops and retain possession that powers us. We win the contest, chain a few handballs then we’ve got forwards open.
Apart from contested work I think Sparrow just has more of a forward game than JJ. So he got the nod where Harmes got the mid/forward/wing covered.
Our defensive game plan is all about a whole lot of midfield and forward spread. One players pressures and 17 cover the outlets. They must think that Dunstan has that level of tank and can follow the instructions. But his lack of speed is a worry. I guess we’ll find outAgree with all. But Dunstan doesn’t need to be best 22 for the pick-up to be a win.
In all likelihood we won’t have the same luck with injuries next year - and Dunstan be a critical depth player to replace injured mids, and ensure we don’t need to change our game plan too much when we cop an injury or two.
good to get Jordon, Sparrow, Harmes, Viney fighting a bit harder for their spots, and also be nice to have the luxury of giving Clarry & Norm a rest from time to time.
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2 hours ago, binman said:
I agree with the first paragraph quoted above DS, but with respect, I think your last paragraph is well of the mark.
We are the best contested team in the AFL - the numbers and watching us tell us that.
Winning contested ball is arguably the very foundation of our game plan and goodies philosophy.
It's just that as you say it is now about less players at the contest to win them.
So Oliver has to beat 2 or 3 players to win a contested ball. As does every other player, even smalls like kozzie and spargo.
Compare us to the dogs who also have a model based on winning contested ball. A key difference is they win lots of theirs by creating an outnumber at stoppages.
And on top of the need for players who can beat 2 or 3 opponents in a fight for a contested ball, winning post clearance contested ball is critical to our model.
As is the fact we are happy to kick for territory, as opposed to hitting a target, so our games are always going to involve lots of contests and the ball being in dispute a lot - particularly in finals.
All of which places an even greater emphasis on the need for players like Dunstan who can win contested ball.
I suspect it is why Sparrow got the nod ahead of JJ come finals.
Agree with this. If we didn’t dominate the contested ball (particularly centre clearances) towards the end of 3rd qtr, dogs most likely would have had too big a lead going into three quarter time.
but, the difference this year is we had the other required complimentary elements (2 way running, def structure, genuine wingers etc) to our contested strength vs 2018 when we didn’t.
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Anyone criticising our list management / draft strategy / trading has rocks in their head!
Recent years efforts are nothing short of genius, and has won us a flag!
Be grateful and have faith.
look forward to seeing who we pick up with 17.
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1 hour ago, dimmy said:
Agrre with nearly all of these, except for Danger (not exciting to see a bloke trying to kick it to himself) & Greene ( I want to watch footy not a sideshow, however I will admit he can play. What about Touk Miller ?
Good call:- I forgot about Touk. Happy to sub him in for Danger.
agree re Greene:- the commentators obsession with him can be hard to watch also. Maybe sub old mate Jesse Hogan in for Greene?
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My list (excluding Melb players due to bias:- koz, Trac, Oliver, Jacko, Gawn, Fritsch, Salem would all feature)
1. Bont (Class & match winner)
2. Liam Ryan (Excitement, weekly hangers)
3. Dusty (Don’t argue)
4. Nic Nat (Freakish ruck-taps)
5. Josh Kelly (Skill + ability to hit a target)
6. Buddy (The strut, and bombs from 60m)
7. C. Cameron (Speed, stupid celebrations)
8. Robbie Gray (Class/skill/match-winner)
9. Danger (Explosiveness)
10. Greene (Mad, head explosions)
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45 minutes ago, Demonland said:
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Yuck De Goey before Trac. SEN it’s time to move Dwayne on I think.
Toby Greene at 2:- give it a spell. Stole Fritzal’s AA spot.
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7 minutes ago, mauriesy said:
He didn't say that.
The Prelim final AFL360 preview show had Nick Reiwoldt, Jeremy Cameron, Jarryd Roughead, Jordan Lewis and Mark Maclure.
Jason Dunstall was effusive in his praise for Melbourne in his post-Grand Final AFL360 review.
Mauriesy, can’t recall which day it was in prelim week - but 100% he said it. When it was just him + Gerard.
In fairness, he said it with a smile on his face.....ie friendly banter, rather than strong hate.
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21 minutes ago, Bang Bang Bang said:
Brilliant interview. One of the better transcripts I've read through. Max has that rare and perfect blend of humour and insight when speaking about the club.
Re. Goody: "The members get a bit annoyed by him and media, because he's very much one message in his press conferences and quite monotone....." made me LOL.
Maybe Maxy reads demonland
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11 minutes ago, rpfc said:
Source or it didn’t happen
AFL 360 with Gerard, previewing the prelim.
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16 hours ago, A F said:
Yeah, a bloody brilliant run down. Dunstall really struggling. Like many Hawthorn people, he can barely hide his disdain.
So true. He said before the prelim “I hope the Dees beat Geelong, so we can watch them completely gas it in the Grand final”
Bad luck Jase! And many more years of pain to come for you
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On 9/28/2021 at 12:09 PM, Darkhorse72 said:
Thank you for the replies. Yes its an amazing time. You can tell from my history I love the dees and not a jaded supporter.
My communication to Pert is also important for the future of the club, it's not really a complaint but it could be interpreted as such. But I will explain. We are WA supporters my kids are been members since birth like many here. Yes we have been amazing likely this year with the finals and result (He will get congratulated) My oldest no longer has an interest in football or the club.
My daughter 13, son 10 still love football. But they have no real connection to the club. My son has never met a player in person, had a photo with or a signature his whole life, last time my daughter did she was 5. they could not make the open training in WA due to school. But there was little or no interaction there due to covid rules. While they follow Dee's neither have a favourite player as they are "people" on TV and we normally see them on a field maybe once a year, there is no interaction. (The club used to have open training and dinners for wa members which no longer happen).
So at the open day Pert said after the GF they players were excited to meet at the supporters etc, give signature, photos etc. So we went to the city representation, (the players were behind a 8 foot fence covered in tarp, I guess the city arranged this, not the clubs doing) and left within 10 minutes after the presentation. Despite Garry Lyon saying they'll be having around with the supporters after the presentation. My son is quiet and polite and when he could get to a 3 metre section of low fence all the players were already on the bus. Viney was only player still there trying to sign things, Hibberd got out of the bus and pulled him in so they could leave as he was taking too long training signing signatures, (He signed 3 things). Virtual all the players just ran down the space to the bus and got on. While my son didn't say anything he was really sad by the experience. It was his first time and opportunity in his entire life to get a signature, he had a pen and a hat ready to be signed by a player. But they were gone.
I have emailed Pert to explain this and ask where the opportunity of members and supporters in WA to meet and interact with the players, as they weren't allowed to before the GF. In the extra 5 days they have had in WA, why couldn't they arrange a 1 hour meet with the WA member families to have a kick with the players say at Joondalup arena. We don't get the opportunity for things like family days here with the team. They could restrict it to those with paid up membership, anything more than what has happened. I feel I should not have to hang outside the hotel or try random pubs for my kids to get a photo/signature from a player. What I can see happening is when I stop paying their membership they won't join on their own and the club will lose more future members, as WA kids are not building the same links as I did as a kid, even in the terrible early 80's. Particularly when you have eagles/dockers players visiting their schools and running training at their junior clubs (once a year).
That is essentially what I sent to Pert.
(Extra note: I thought about this for 2 days after the city experience and just want my kids to have the same love for the Dees as I have)
This disappoints me.
please cheer up, and be grateful!
we just won the flag!!
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22 hours ago, Deestroy All said:
The dust is starting settle, especially in my dry tear ducts, I’ve yet to fully read this thread yet but I’ll get out my thoughts while I take a break from constant replay and footage.
The 2 weeks of commentary about how the bulldogs would win sucked me right in. I’m pessimistic about us at the best of times. MFCSS was strong with this one. Gawn was gunna get bashed, Josh [censored] Schache was going to stop Lever, their midfield would run wild and Noughton would kick 18.
First quarter I just thought we looked on and instantly settled my nerves which in turn made me angry for letting myself get my hopes up. I’m a lunatic.
But we looked on, Trac’s clean pick up and goal from 50 had me in awe, our superstar was ready to go.
The rest of the quarter felt like the prelim. The misses were starting to worry me. Biggest worry going in was inaccuracy.
2nd quarter my world crumbled. Bont was the most hated man on earth, and [censored] Collingwood.
3rd quarter I realised Johannisen was still on a list. Bont kicked his 3rd and it broke me. This year I’ve been comfortable we’re never out of it. But Bont looked like a man possessed, I thought there’s no stopping this. Helmet Daniel was racking em up. I’d seen it all before.
Then bang, bang, bang, bang! Absolute football perfection. The greatest football I’ve seen from anyone ever. Seeing Treloar hang his head and Bont saying wtf, I knew. Euphoria kicks in.
Tried to calm myself at 3qtr time. Resist the urge to pick up my phone (which is constantly buzzing by now) and msg anyone, can’t jinx it.
Last quarter euphoria continued. I’ve seen my beloved Liverpool win Champions League and Premier League in the last few years, but this is a happiness levels above.
I start crying seconds before Luke Hodge says “I wonder if Melbourne supporters are shedding a tear yet” I hear that and start laughing, I’m a crying laughing maniac.
We’re up by 55, it’s safe to pick up my phone - Treloar kicks a goal GOD DAMN IT. Reply to my best mate, a Collingwood supporter fully invested in us winning. Start bawling.
We [censored] did it. I can’t believe it. I can’t believe how absolutely dominant we’ve been since Geelong were 44 up. We didn’t just win the premiership we [censored] annihilated the supposed next best teams. This is the stuff of dreams.
In the first qtr when we easily got to a 21 point lead - I started worrying that the experience wouldn’t be as enjoyable if we cruise to a 80-100 point win without being challenged.
got my wish 2nd qtr, with the tension of a close game.
here’s hoping to being just as passionate a supporter in future years, but slightly more normal, now that the curse has been buried.
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21 hours ago, KysaiahMessiah said:
Is anyone else sick of the narrative that dogs were "1 goal away from breaking Melbourne" ? I am. Some nerves, yes, but Melbourne has shown several times throughouit 2021 that they can respond from further down than 4 goals. We are premiers and it shouldnt worry me I know but logic says 4 goals down halfway through the 3rd would by no means "break" this side.
I agree with the “1 goal away from breaking us theory”. Sure, we can claw back a 25 point deficit. But, decent chance dogs would have got a significant momentum injection if they kicked it rather than us.
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Ahhhh Chris Scott......”May and Lever will have to try and stop our guns”
Then post match presser “ah look I don’t really want to talk right now”
big lesson for you Chris - let the actions do the talking, and not the fake pre game words
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1 hour ago, FarNorthernD said:
It’s pretty simple
Melbourne receives: Cerra
Freo receives: Our rolled gold assurance not to come back and raid their cupboard again during our next 5 powerhouse years
We could offer them an option to deal with us, if Jacko does decide to go home, at any time in the next 5 years
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24 minutes ago, Winter Dan said:
My first instinct is I don't like it - we're well stocked for mids already - it would just mean someone like Harmes or Sparrow or Brayshaw not getting a game along with Jordan.
But, I get Cerra is a better kind of mid for our mix.
Maybe we don't have all the pieces of the puzzle - maybe we are likely to loose someone in the off season, like Sparrow.
Or how about this for a conspiracy theory: we know Mr Bell will ask for Jackson - which causes Jackson's manager says to Dogga 'hey, if you are thinking of going back home, now is an open window' - we ask for Cerra and their first round pick who we use for Andrew Mac who is the same type of player as Dogga and who we know well. If Dogga doesn't bite, then we know we don't have to worry about his contract extension. If he goes ( and I though I heard he had been coy about his intentions) then we say to Weid - resign b/c it's between you and Daw to have the third tall/backup ruck role for the next two seasons.
Or we are being ruthless ( like we were with discussions with TMac and ANB) and we have a honest conversation with some players we think are surplus to need and encourage some player movement.
It's been a long week waiting for Friday night...
Problem I see with this is Jacko's trade value will rise significantly in coming years......Obviously I want to keep him, but if he does want to go home, it be much better for us in a couple of years rather than now - in terms of what we could get back.
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2 hours ago, Rob Mac...... said:
Just re-watched our round 23, and I give the Cats 44 point lead more credence than our great comeback.
Cats didn't finish DESPERATE as they would in a final.
Betting odds flatter us, we must be rested and come out blazing.
agree with this Rob
- but if we took our opportunities could have got a decent lead in first qtr.
- be some important learnings from the 7 goal in 10 mins onslaught, and I would be highly surprised if we make the same mistakes again- Even though I agree cats weren’t fighting the game out as hard as possible, to come back from 44 points gives a team belief that can draw on in future weeks
but your overall point is correct. Biggest concern for me would be the players taking too much comfort from a game, that most of the time they would have lost.-
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17 minutes ago, KLV said:
Scott says some pretty dumb things for an intelligent person. So reactive.
Just ignore Chris. Deep breath, aah, that’s better isn’t?Scott appears stressed out in recent interviews......this flows through to the players.
goody on the other hand has been cool calm and collected, and saying all the right things....not whinging or complaining about anything, respecting the opponent, remaining humble and saying we are happy to play anywhere, anytime......calming influence and strong mindset for the players to follow!
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10 minutes ago, CYB said:
Oh boy… whoever Cerra manager is, he would be negligent in his responsibility to allow Cerra going there.
Basket case.
Cerra - take $100k - 200k less a year to come to the Dees, and be a multiple premiership player.......will make up the dollars via being part of a dynasty.
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2 minutes ago, Redlagged said:
Some sensible observations here. Would be nice to get Cerra. But not at the expense of what we already have. In the meantine, there is a premiership to be won.
Us Melb supporters are so use to discussing potential trades rather than playing finals this time of year, that we have fallen into our usual habits.
How we go Fri, and then hopefully in a fortnight, might also have an impact on players wanting to come to us.
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1 minute ago, CYB said:
Cameron is a supreme runner and is not a contest orientated forward - that is Hawkins's job. He will look to work into the wings and flanks and out work his opponent. Not saying Hibbered cannot play the role, but we need somebody outside D50 to take the matchup because i dont think Hibberd can stay with him all day (if that is the matchup of course).
Or if Hibbo can hold him inside 50, are we content with Cameron getting possessions on the wings & flanks, where he will do less damage?
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5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:
To be honest, I'd actually back Hibberd to play on Cameron.
Cameron isn't a pack marking beast, but more so a roaming 3rd tall. Hibberd would easily match him for body strength and also at ground level and on the lead.
He's giving up 10cm in height but rarely do opposition forwards are left one on one in our defensive structure
I'd back Hibberd in.
Don’t mind this. Petty would easily hold Sav. And if Hibbo can hold Cameron, Lever is free to do his thing.
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2 minutes ago, Monocology said:
Thinking we could probably arrange a gathering of up to 100 of us at a big screen venue for Friday, under guise of religious celebration.
Demon new year?
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2 minutes ago, Bates Mate said:
No knock on him having impeccable mail, just the whole I know there is an injury, but not telling who it is. It's not positive to the psych of the supporters particularly right now
This is true.
maybe just give us the initials Dannyz? - we won’t tell a sole.
If initials is pushing our luck, how about position on ground?
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Great cover in most positions.
very happy Weid signed. Brown/TMac/Weid all to work their backsides off all summer knowing 3 doesn’t go into 2 - perfect!!
Only change I have to your team is Tomlinson plays if he is fit - not sure how he fits in, but he just plays. Didn’t loose a one on one contest for the games he played this year.