Wrecker46

Pert was divisive at Collingwood and it seems to me a magpie doesn't change its spots.

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I think you're barking up the wrong tree. Trac's leak to the media was staunch in his defence of Goodwin. What if it's the CEO and President he is unhappy with? Tail wagging the dog or somebody we need to listen to?

Jack Viney - made me cry Oliver - next year doubters

Tholstrup - not there yet (his decision making and reaction time isn't fast enough yet) Disco - no obvious weakness Kozzie - shouldn't have played Billings - experienced shouldn't fumble Viney - legend of club

Everyone is entitled to an opinion and you are not a random who is posting to troll. This is a stinka though. 10 coaches and 3 brownlow votes for Viney today

When Clarry makes one of the great comebacks of all time, get's a standing ovation from the crowd when he comes to the bench Breaks his hand the following week and as good as he is can't win the following week with one arm tied around his back. His season never recovers. I don't know if you can re-do surgery on a hand but if you can I know back Clarry

Everyone wishes ANB the best. His partner isn't the first in AFL history to have a baby away from home. I have had a baby who baracks for Melbourne, loves life and just old enough to hate Maynard and Collingwood. It doesn't make me more or less qualified to be concerned about ANB requesting a trade.

I can cop Petracca and Oliver noise. But this is different. We have a problem.

Lever, Sparrow and Bowey all premiership players would be where i'd be looking for the right trade. All have strengths and apeal for other clubs but none are taking us forward.

He's not just a premiership player, teams were playing a defensive forward on him in our premiership year. He probably wont get back to that form but he is worth more to our club and culture than any draft pick we would get for him. Play him in the backline where he wins one on ones and sets up play. If his body doesn't hold up next year he should retire a Melbourne champion not sold for a packet of chips.

Based on their games against us i can't see anyone beating Fremantle. They have talen all over the ground and a coach that exploits the oppositions weakness

When Oliver goes into the centre square i can't work out if he is tagging or being tagged. He just wrestles with them. Does it every week. If he is just drawing an opposition player away from the clearance zone it worked well when he had Petracca going into the 2 on 2 but we don't have that luxury at the moment. Gawn has a crack in his foot and hasn't taken a trade mark, pack mark in a month. Viney's body is catching up with him. Gawn, Oliver and Viney legends of the club but not effective outside of their onball roles and not effective playing them at the moment at least to their level

AMW might attack the footy like the great Matthew Whelan, which is the highest of compliments but you you wont see him taking kickouts like the wrecker did. 55m metre bullets to the best option

The difference between Bevo and Goodwin is the players love Goodwin. I'm not saying that's good or bad. History is littered with cosches the players didn't like who were successful

We've been [censored] ever since the gnome went missing.

Billings is the whipping boy in this thread. I am not sold on him and he was bought in for his skills and forward transition but be gave everything Saturday night. His tackles and pressure were immense. There are others that should go before him.

Our worst quaters. Coincidence? Give him the football.

His centre bounce numbers to posession ratio says otherwise. I hope he gets it togethef again

Not a single vote amongst Demonanders for Windsor. He almost single handidly orchestrated our first and only quater of dominance.

Sparrow is a mystery. Oliver and Viney we understand. Petracca didn't come on like we thought he would at the same stage as Sparrow in his career until some off field stuff clicked. Who knows.

There is a misconception that Oliver's lack of preseason is the problem (despite being our best tonight without having Trac to take some of the load) It has hindered him and he hasn't gone about it like the greatest MFC player of the modern era normally does but it's the hand. We focused on the premiership window and Oliver was a key piece of that. He was playing when he shouldn't have. I've personally had surgery on my hand after a footballing injury and it cripples you. Oliver has had surgery on both shoulders and we got that right, they don't pop out anymore. Let's hope we haven't bungled his hand becase that would be a travesty.

There is a misconception that Oliver's lack of preseason is the problem (despite being our best tonight without having Trac to take some of the load) It has hindered him and he hasn't gone about it like the greatest MFC player of the modern era normally does but it's the hand. We focused on the premiership window and Oliver was a key piece of that. He was playing when he shouldn't have. I've personally had surgery on my hand after a footballing injury and it cripples you. Oliver has had surgery on both shoulders and we got that right, they don't pop out anymore. Let's hope we haven't bungled his hand becase that would be a travesty.

Whilst i don't agree with this thread and i think our list is quicker overall than it has been in a long time i want to talk about Kolt who i like for alot of reasons especially his energy. I keep seeing posters talk about his fast times in speed charts. I don't rate them. As a long time punter on the horses, i can assure you the horses with the fastest sectionals of the day rarely win and then you think they will win next time because they galloped faster than the rest of the field or card but they don't. Speed is relative. Alot depends on the exertion of energy beforehand compared to the person you are racing against. Kozzie last night showed true pace when he relentlessly made ground on whoever had the footy. I haven't seen the speed charts but it doesn't matter, in the moment, he was much quicker than anyone around him. That is what is important.

Billings - tough not creative (unexpected) Laurie - could make it Windsor - could be anything Petty - marks and tackles Gawn - fumbly for month Kozzie - tackled to influence Rivers - learn to bounce Kolt - signed while concussed Jeffo - gimme a tiket... AMW - hard as nails Bowey - victim of structure