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I have a similar view, in that Fritsch and Melksham are almost limiting factors in our forward half, rather than improving/complimenting it. I would love to see Weid and B.Brown as the two pillars, Jacko roaming as he pleases and then 3 quick smalls. Assume Brown picks up the 20 odd goals Fritsch would kick, Jacko provides a better aerial contest and then we have room for 3 smalls. I think we are a better side with Fritta and Melky out, provided we can find some proper smalls

Would have thought they are similar to us and need proper small zippy blokes, rather than mid-sized plodders

Langdon & hopefully another genuine winger helping us actually win games at the MCG. Also, games at the MCG

Commentators would love to mention them discussing their basketball backgrounds together ?

He lost a child, that's pretty serious. Would be enough to put pressure on all relationships, particularly the football one

From a football perspective, I think we would be very happy if Tom went across to Collingwood and shifted down back again.

And as many keep mentioning, if the MFC doesn't improve drastically next year, then it may be too tempting for him to ignore. Interesting that the whispers about Carlton and Oliver did and do have real substance- confirmed by Carlton themselves and were not just a made up BigFooty rumour like many screamed they were.

I'd much rather have Isaac Smith hobbling around than persist with ANB, AVB, Melksham, McDonald x2, Wagner x2, Joel Smith etc. He's from a better environment and a better player, he is from a culture where winning is the expectation not just turning up

This is the thing that most people don't realise in footy clubs and big business, they are always planning for the future, not reacting on a whim. Smart planning by Carlton and looks like they have had a good crack at all 4 and landed 2, great result for them

I have a mate that works for an AFL club in corporate functions, he mentioned a few of the players from his club that don't view footy as their entire life were really battling in the Hub. Some blokes go to training, meetings etc and then have nothing to do with footy outside those commitments, they need to unwind. They don't enjoy being around the boys 24/7.

I am a little concerned with Kossie's size for the long term, but he seems to be happy enough to throw it around. His timing is definitely not quite there yet, just felt like he needed a 3-4 goal game to get some confidence and start rolling.

He actually deserved all the commentators drooling over him for that one, he’s such a powerful bloke. In terms of standing up and taking his teammates with him, he would be near the top of the tree.

At least a fully outstretched Brown is a big target, makes it a bit easier to get it somewhere in his wingspan. As has been mentioned countless times, if he comes and takes a good defender, it frees up the Weid a little. If Weid is on fire and takes the number one defender, Brown gets let off the hook. How many teams have two elite defenders that could contain them both individually?

Fritsch gets plenty of looks at goal and he doesn’t crash packs

A lot of this is very relevant to our club. We have not had a strong and successful culture for a long, long time. I think May has been the first player to actually hold people accountable on field and demand better. The Trac, Oliver, May, Langdon, Lever combo could shape this club for the next 50 years - up to them whether they want to

This is the bit that seems off about the whole thing, Oliver could walk into any team so it would make sense to go to Saints, Dogs or Pies if he wants a Vic side. They all could use his help and will be a lot more likely to guarantee finals I doubt the B&F result is the thing that has him miffed, but I think there’s probably been enough evidence in his body language early on that he was unhappy

Would be nice to land Tippa, reports suggest he might be sniffing around too!

Thinking about the difference Langdon made, it’s exciting to imagine what 2 wingers will do for us

Oliver is definitely good at padding out his stats, looks good that he gets 30+ each week, but he could be so much more damaging with 20 & 2-3 goals. There was a few weeks where Oliver started to really drive forward, but it didn't last too long. Dustin Martin rarely has really huge possession numbers, but give him chance of space and he will hurt you, badly.

BT would have had a heart attack calling that much candy being sold

Known commodities to play specific roles versus unknown kids, it's a sensible play

Agree, but would take their record over the last 10 years of playing finals most years. They are always there about

Wasn't it stated recently that Oliver likes stability and continuity? Another full overhaul of the football department and assistant coaches is anything but that. Realise we are all just adding fuel to the fire, but the people that emphatically declare he won't leave are just as likely wrong as those suggesting he may be sounding other teams out.

Maybe he loves winning more than all those other things and sees a better chance of that happening elsewhere? It's all hypothetical of course, but plenty of people love partners and leave, love jobs and leave etc. If Carlton were to double his income and guarantee it for 5+ years, that would be something you could learn to love

When we target opposition players that are contracted, do you still believe this?