Lord Nev

No mate, we're talking about the effectiveness of a player. You misunderstood the point. Measuring effectiveness you can't use totals in this kind of scenario. My example is to say it's like saying whichever player kicks the most goals is therefore the most accurate kick for goal. Doesn't add up. You've also seemingly missed the point that we've included the 'hitouts won %' so there's a direct comparison between the amount won and their effectiveness. Seriously, measuring total hitouts is non-sensical when talking about their effectiveness. As already mentioned, Max has attended more hitouts than anyone else, plus as a comparison, he averages more than 20% more game time than NicNat. Different amounts of stoppages, different amounts of games played, different amounts of hitouts attended, different amounts of game time... You can't use totals as the comparison given all this. I've explained this multiple times now, so clearly you're just being difficult for the sake of an argument. I'm tapping out mate, not worth going in circles with this.

Mate, you can't measure effectiveness in totals. It's like saying whoever kicks the most goals is the most accurate goal kicker.

Yes but it's irrelevant to use totals unless they've all attended the same amount of ruck contests. No coincidence that the top ruckmen for hitouts attended are Gawn, NicNat, Grundy, Darcy and Godstein, in that order.

Sure, but I don't think for hitouts that totals is a great way to measure effectiveness. Different amount of ruck contests, different amount of stoppages in each game, etc etc. The point of that stat isn't to say he's bad at hitouts, it's more about the disconnect going on in the middle as it illustrates that Gawn is winning the hitouts but it's not going to our players very often. This is evident visually IMO and the stat just backs it up a bit.

She's in a private retirement village. It's 'independent' living, but the majority of residents don't drive, aren't physically able to catch public transport and are understandably nervous about using a taxi to travel to a public GP. For her regular GP appointments they come to her residence, but for some reason she had to travel to the GP to get her vaccine. My Dad, who is in care with Alzheimer's, got his vaccine shots around Easter time, but he'd already spent a month in hospital with COVID and has lingering effects from it.

Ranked 1st out of players classed as ruckmen for hitout win %. Ranked 16th out of players classed as ruckmen for hitout to advantage %

Officially official.

No guarantee he'd still find a better option though... My problem from our delivery on the weekend was we looked deep nearly every time. We're better when we're looking further out and more laterally.

So, score involvement means the player has been involved in an unbroken chain of play that leads to a score. Goal assist is creating a goal by getting the ball to a teammate either via a disposal, knock-on, ground kick or hitout, or by winning a free kick before the advantage is paid to the goal scorer. TBH, neither is particularly telling IMO.

My elderly Mum, who is very high risk, had to wait 2 months for her first AZ shot from her local GP in suburban Melbourne. Which for me, also raises the point about why there doesn't seem to be a program to get nurses out to old folks homes and villages so vulnerable people aren't having to head out into public, let alone a GP clinic, to get their shots.

I would agree, except it's not 'score assists' it's 'goal assists' and the number is that low for them that it's not really worth bothering with. Using your same argument, someone could give a Joe the goose handball and get a 'goal assist' when in reality others have done the work. I prefer the 'kick inside 50 retention rate' stat for the sake of what we're talking about, but unfortunately it's not publicly available.

That's totals though. Viney's missed a bunch of games.

Petracca averages 0.47 per game, Oliver 0.53.

Sure, but for score involvements he's ahead of Melksham, Spargo, Langdon, Jackson, ANB, Brown, Harmes, Weid and a ton more... Goal assists isn't a great stat. Pickett is one of our best for that right? He averages 0.47 per game.

That's not what happened.

TBF that seems to be a trend this year - leading to the pockets - you're probably correct in your observation it's to prevent turnovers/rebound opportunities. I don't totally blame the players though, our forward structure has been a mess for a while and it would be compounded by the selection this year which has meant it's not only different players every week but also numerous different structures. TMac and Brown were back to being all over each other on the weekend. Plus, from what I've heard, quite often forward leads haven't been honoured when they should have so that would add to the mess.

Yeah 100%, no argument there. We seem to want to get it deep forward in one go rather than think through it. In this scenario, it looks like maybe going short to Brayshaw would have been a good option. Pretty disappointing.

Clearly more than 40m. Here's a 50m line on both pics, allowing for the slight change of perspective.

Yeah I prefer Viney playing the mid/forward role like he did at the start of the year. He played better, the midfield worked better, just made sense. For mine, when we have Gawn, Viney, Petracca and Oliver as our centre group we're very predictable, that's why I like us giving Pickett a run through there, Jackson rucking, even throw it around with Sparrow, Jordon, ANB etc.

I doubt either will come out anyway, both are Goody faves. Didn't think vB was bad, just more thinking about the balance of our midfield and I think having both of them in means we've tilted a bit too far away from skill and it's going to cost us with our delivery forward.

To clarify - Not meaning centre bounces, more meaning mid/forward. If you look at Gus and Jordon's heat maps it makes it pretty clear. Interestingly I noticed Goody switched it up and had Jordon at a few bounces late in the game. Still not sure why Pickett wasn't played through there like usual though. Personally I think Gus played better on the wing.

Fritsch is 60m away and calling for the kick to go even longer.

Look, I agree with the premise, especially about our delivery forward, but you're expecting a 60-70m kick here to get to one of them.

He already is. The last 2-3 weeks we've had Jordon more on the wing and Gus more in the middle/forward.

Yeah, it seemed an 'off' game for his leadership, if that makes sense? Has been great most of the year in that regard, but there was more than the usual umpire complaining, silly hitouts out of frustration etc.