Lord Nev

No one said 11 players should have been dropped at once and replaced. The clear implication is we pushed the boundaries with inured players, perhaps off the luck we had in 2021, but the balance was too far to the other side this year and it cost us. Given the form of Casey, losing 1 game for the entire season, there was ample opportunity to blood some young players who had earned a shot while at the same time making sure those injured players were brought back to better condition. We could have done this bit by bit and planned out the year differently, especially given not all injured or sore players were at their 'worst' at the same time. It's not just on Goody, but also the fitness staff and the entire selection committee. I would say mostly the selection committee given what we know about Goodwin's firmness with the fitness team.

When you only average 10 disposals a game it is.

For comparison, Hunt averaged 10 disposals, Salem averaged 17.4. For comparison, Hunt averaged 7.5 effective disposals, Salem averaged 13.9.

So that cancels out your argument as 'tidied up over the last two years' then. If you want to go back to 2019, when he played 21 games, he averaged 2.7 turnovers per game. Over the last 2 years he's also averaged 2.7 turnovers per game. Not exactly a tidy up.

That's incorrect. I think you're getting confused with the average salary, which is now around 370k. Going by 2021 figures, there are more players in the 100k to 200k bracket than any other. Source: Back in the money: Who are the AFL's million-dollar men?

The only thing that add could to the sting of Yze going to the team I absolutely despite would be Hird coming to the Dees as an assistant...

There's no way we'd be paying Melksham and Hibberd anywhere near 500k next year.

You mean when he's mostly played as a deep defender? He still turns it over nearly a third of the time he has it. Across 2021 and 2022, he averaged nearly 3 times as many turnovers as he did in 2020. Not sure that counts as a tidy up.

Maybe I've got some confirmation bias happening, but I have far more memories of him running himself into trouble, making poor decisions, kicking it badly and being caught trying to run too far, than I do of him using his pace to get out of trouble and delivering well.

As rpfc put it perfectly above: "I believe in the presumption of innocence, but I am over the days of the presumption of lying and duplicity."

I literally just explained how there's two sides, but ok...

Can't help but feel the opposite tbh. I thought he played some of his best footy of the year as a lockdown defender. His disposal and decision making would cost us too much on turnovers on the wing.

Maybe. I hate the kick to the pocket stuff, but I also recognise we weren't able to physically execute properly in the later part of the year so it's a bit harder to judge.

Typically one sided take from you. The other side of the coin is just as bad, if not worse, where victims have either not been heard, not been believed or not even spoken out due to those first two factors. That's what systemic racism does. It's not as black and white as you want to make it.

Yes, prolonging Gawn's career and replacing Jackson are obvious factors, but I was responding to your comment about how Grundy fits in to how "our problems are ball movement going inside 50, inside 50 pressure and around the ground pressure." I agree they're problems, but looking at what we already do with the kicks to the pocket and trying to force a stoppage then to me the answer is obvious as to why the 2 rucks setup seems so important to Goody. It's been a part of his plan for a long time - We went for Preuss and people questioned why, then Jackson and people questioned why, now Grundy. I don't love it as a plan, I would much rather have more targeted inside 50s and better forwards, but this seems the way Goodwin (a premiership winning coach) wants to go.

I think it's part of their contracts...

It's a typically disgraceful 'article' from this scumbag. Including things like: "The ABC quotes three unidentified players at length, from the more than 20 indigenous players who were with Hawthorn when Alastair Clarkson was a premiership-winning coach, hailed as the best of modern times. We do not know how typical their complaints are, and we are relying on the reporting of an ABC that has a strong race agenda." He would be rubbing his hands together knowing he has weeks, maybe months, worth of outrage to farm for his continued employment.

But if we continue with the game plan of kicking it long to the pocket and trying to force a stoppage then having an All-Australian ruckman down there 100% of the time would be an attractive proposition to Goodwin. I don't particularly like that part of our game plan, but that possibly could be the logic behind it.

The report only came back to Hawthorn 2 weeks ago. They have said they immediately handed it to the AFL.

This isn't a 'media report' though, it's a report prepared by an external consultant at the request of the Hawthorn Football Club. And unless you've read the full report and spoken to all involved I'm not sure how you can say it's all "circumstantial" and you can find "many holes in the information". This seems to all be you projecting things tbh.

Speaking on RSN on Wednesday morning, Goodwin stated he is mystified about where the rumours of Pickett's potential departure first began. "We can't understand where this story has come from," Goodwin began. "'Kozzie' left his exit interview a few days ago and he can't speak more highly enough of Melbourne, his love of the footy club, his love for his teammates, and his joy to be in our program. I'm not sure where these rumours have started from, but he's going to be a Melbourne player for a long time."

Daisy talking about her change of mind and what she's learned from Indigenous people is the exact opposite of that though isn't it?

Oh good, just what this thread needs more of - Sky News opinionists...