Matsuo Basho

For two first round picks you should get a player the quality of Treloar, Omeara, Shiel, Kelly. Top shelf mids. Not an intercept marking defender. Absolutely ridiculous overs.

Done deal Olisik. Gill already buttering the other clubs up for priority pick. We will have pick 3

If others can cherry pick their way I’ll cherry pick my way, cheers. Either way we overpaid and got shafted.

Good call Olisik. Paying an unnecessary extra first rounder for Lever means we have a guy like ANB or JKH in the side instead of a Liam Ryan or Conor Rozee type. No wonder we’re crap.

The point of the thread isn’t that Lever isn’t a good player. He’s more than decent and was worth pick 10 - 20. But we shelled out much more than that, another first round pick when we didn’t have to. He was out of contract. Why are we so weak at trades and get bent over more often than not? Mahoney sold off part of the farm when he didn’t have to. Bad management.

The problem is no-one of serious quality wants to go there. Pick 2 got them Lachie Weller who is really just an average player. You can’t force other clubs to give up a state if they don’t have to.

Two first round picks was ridiculous. You pay that for a top 25 player in the comp. Maybe. It’s debatable that Lever is even in the top 75. And he’s injury prone. This trade has cost us the opportunity to bring in a young gun like a Duursma or an Ollie Florent. Who’s making these decisions? Mahoney and Goodwin? It’s disgraceful.

Roos gave us Goodwin. It’s like he built us a big new sand castle then sent his clumsy dog over to run through it just for fun.

Both count. It’s quality coaching and development, culture, stability etc AND getting talented kids through the draft. You’re a much higher chance of getting the most talented kids at the pointy end of the draft. That’s just a fact. Gold Coast will get priority pick 1 to go with with pick 2 and the Dees will get pushed down to 3.

Ahh yes. First mod ever to get sacked from memory. He was like Biff in Home Alone.

Yes he is. You really have no idea.

Ben Brown been fantastic tonight if a bit inaccurate. 4.3 and 6 big contested grabs in a narrow win. Matchwinner.

Sorry to blind you with another minor detail but Brown has kicked 40/60/60/50+ in last 4 seasons. How’s TMac find this year? You’re reaching Goffy.

Correct. Started a Trade Petracca thread but was called a “troll” by the usual suspects and the thread was deleted by mods. One of those stalkers - @Moonshadow - has actually supported Petracca being traded in a subsequent thread. Welcome to Demonland. Aka North Korea.

Confirmed.

No inconsistency there. I’ve never said Patton is risk-free.

Interesting. Just two weeks ago your post in the Trade Brayshaw thread on the subject of MFC trades.

Max Gawn has had two knee recos. Going alright.

Scully.

Persevere with a structure that’s seen the worst forward line return and conversion rate since stats were recorded and a ladder position of 17th? Great idea LG. Rest of the comp will be shuddering with fear. And your statement about TMac’s 2018 being better than anything Ben Brown has produced is factually incorrect. TMac kicked 53 goals in 2018. Brown has kicked 60+ ... TWICE!

“Patton has garnered interest from other Victorian clubs but seems certain to eventually find his way to the Hawks in a trade for a mid-range pick given his lack of recent football.” ‘Seems certain’ is quite different to ‘is certain’. Still a very interesting cut price option for us as a key forward. Put in the Plan B or C folder in case the Ben Brown deal falls through. A lot of water to go under under the bridge between now and trade week. I would not be surprised in the slightest if we are one of the other Vic clubs to enquire about Patton.

I wonder if we could tempt the Eagles to part with one of their young pacy goal sneaks - Petrucelle, Jarrod Cameron etc - in exchange for Weideman. Or one of Richmond’s. With Kennedy and Riewoldt respectively both nearing the end they might bite. Petrucelle would be a great get. F: Petrucelle Brown Melksham HF: Fritsch TMac Pick 2

Would you consider our 2020 first round pick + Petracca for Brown? Back ourselves to get back in the 8 in 2020 thereby making that first rounder more in the 11 - 18 range. That would be a fair deal I reckon. Allows us to keep pick 2. I agree with you on Petracca. I think we should trade now while his cachet is still pretty decent.

“Brilliant finals campaign” ? Please Jaded, you make it sound like he replicated Ablett Snr’s finals efforts in 1989. Weid had one one good game against Geelong on an off night for them. Hawks he was just okay. West Coast he barely registered a stat. The rest of his career to date has been dreadful bordering on delist-worthy. And he’s not that skinny at all. No less so than Eric Hipwood, Aaron Naughton and Charlie Curnow who’ve shown ten times more ability at the level. Most indicators are pointing towards a bust.

Priorities Nev. No forward line, no hope in 2020. What’s your solution? Thus far you’ve provided nada.