Swooper1987

WC and Melbourne have been talking for a while. They'll have told Lamb exactly what they want. All the Petty talk is for a reason. It's not in WC interests to work with North right now.

It's part of a bigger plan. I'd say Petty is going. They are going hard for pick 1. 10 from Adelaide and McAdam for Petty, gives us 6, 10 and 11 to work into pick 1.

He has done a number of effective run with roles over his career. My personal favourite was the 2018 final against the Cats when he played on Selwood and drove him completely insane. Probably one of Selwood's most undisciplined games in what was a very disciplined career. Played well on Libba in 2021. Has done less of it more recently. I wish him well wherever he ends up and will be eternally grateful for his important role in breaking the drought. He got to live out a boyhood dream. His dad was president of the junior footy club I coached at before Jimmy got drafted and the family are Demon mad. Will be an adjustment for them when he changes clubs!

I like the way Geelong does it. They take out each players 4 lowest polling games as a way to neutralize games missed through injury. So for instance, Gawn's 4 games that he missed through injury don't count (his vote tally wouldn't change)but the others around him would also have their 4 lowest polling games removed (Pickett his two for suspension plus next lowest polling games). That get you closer to the actual best player and not the most durable. Hard to argue with the top 10 though. Trac and Viney standouts, good to see the defence get rewarded - Lever, May, McVee and Rivers all in the top 10. Pickett and ANB the only forwards and both perhaps moreso for their defensive work. Gawn was a top 5 lock bar his month missed.

Former Junior Australian Basketball Captain. Last played in the semi against us last year. Can take a mark and a reasonable kick for a big guy.

28% of Collingwood's goals this finals series. In all sorts of different conditions. He literally won them the flag.

A decent game to watch. It was entertaining enough but I think the closeness of the scores perhaps made it seem better than it was. I benchmark GF's against 1984, 1989, 2005, 2009, 2012 and 2018. They all had incredible moments of skill, courage, brutality(in some) and a great storyline. I thought this one was really like most of Collingwood's finals except they scored a bit more. Kudos to them for getting it done again in a close one. That speaks volumes for their spirit and self-belief and McRae's coaching, because nothing about them screams out outstanding premiership team which will become a dynasty. Howe, Sidebottom and Pendlebury might have one season left. And they'll all be less effective than this year. Of their best side only McStay and Adams weren't available. Adams is injury prone now, McStay's season stats are below average in most categories, the rucks are plodders, Moore was shown up again for his incapability to play man on man defence, unlike guys like Harris and May and Weitering, who can intercept and lock down; smart recruiting made their forward line functional because without Hill this finals series they were in huge trouble - Collingwood kicked 29 goals in 3 finals and Hill got 8 of them. That's 28% of their total goals. It's unlikely he'll get that sort of freedom again. And then you have the other over 30's like Hoskin -Elliott, Jamie Elliott, Mitchell, Crisp, Mihocek, Cox. Nearly half their best side is the wrong side of 30 at the start of next season. They might do a Geelong but they play a taxing style that won't lend itself to blowing sides away too often. Congratulations to them. They had a clear strategy to invest in the now and trading Grundy out was a masterstroke.

Agree with everything but the last bit. I don't think they do. They are a very experienced list. Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Howe are all at the end. One year tops and probably a declining year. DeGoey is always one big night away from being finished. Cox and Cameron are unreliable. Adams injury prone. They have a lot of grit, are well coached and have a couple of superstar father sons but they won three finals by 12 points in total. I think others might get better quicker.

Gee they are great to watch. Kate is having some sort of a season. Leadership really agrees with her. 6. Hore 5.Purcell 4. Hanks 3. Paxman 2. Pearce 1. Mithen and about another 16 who could have polled.

Just the one - and it was a huge surprise. 2016 when Gawn had his maiden AA and was the dominant ruck in the game. Another one of those bizarre MFC Bluey results. I think Max even said in his speech that he was expecting to get up a little later!

I think Viney bolts this in. I'll have a go at the top 8. 1. Viney 2. Petracca 3. Brayshaw 4. Gawn 5. May 6. Lever 7. Rivers 8. Sparrow

Barry Prendergast. He drafted guys who were rated at the time. The development was horrendous. And a few had injuries like Blease who badly broke his leg before he started and Strauss who took a little while and just as he was beginning to look like the standard he busted his leg too. And then there were a few big misses. A very forgettable time.

Only two teams beat both Grand Finalists this year - Hawthorn and us. We were incredibly close. We aren't losing anything other than depth and we should be a better side with the natural improvement of our younger players. I think top 4 again.

Go Royboys! I attended Fitzroy's last finals series as a 16 year old back in 1986. Fond memories of that finals run and Gary Pert was an excellent player for the "real" Lions (and a pretty average one for Collingwood). I always had a soft spot for the Fitzroy Lions. Whilst they are a completely different organisation now, they are playing Collingwood - a club which masquerades as representing the underdog with it's now long passed working class roots. Just another corporate entity which actually tried to cannibalise the Lions by offering to merge with them by putting a Lion on their shorts. A disgraceful organisation who have been involved in some way in nearly every race related controversy since the 1980's in the VFL and now AFL. The highlight of my season would be to see them record their 29th runners up placing.

Our list profile is strong. We have good young key position players - Petty will be 24 at the start of next season, JVR doesn't turn 21 until mid April, Jefferson will turn 20 in March. Other than Viney, all of our top midfielders will be 28 or younger at the start of next season and still in the absolute sweet spot. May played out the season well and I remember Brian Lake moved to Hawthorn at the age that May is now and was a key player in three flags! Gawn will continue as the dominant ruck for at least a couple more years. He doesn't turn 32 until the very end of this year and will be our oldest player (assuming Melksham doesn't come back). Young players who should continue to improve include McVee, JVR, Sparrow, Bowey, Rivers, Pickett. If the players are hungry enough, there is more than enough talent to have us competing again next year and the years beyond.

I notice Williamson (number 22) was dropped to emergency after his efforts last week. That will be helpful for Brisbane because he only seems to see it Carlton's way. On last night, massive kudos to the Giants. They are a hell of a team. An unrivalled travel schedule in a competition so tight. 6 day break leading into a prelim and coming from 3 wins and 7 losses says a lot about their talent and their character. Collingwood - well they are most definitely beatable. They won't have the advantage of the 19th man with the ridiculously lopsided crowd in the GF. Go the Lions. Fagan is an ex Demon who helped get us into the 2000 GF. Hopefully it's his time.

Been an assistant to Longmire for a couple of years. was considered a chance for the Collingwood job before McRae. More likely for the CEO job at West Coast to replace Trevor Nisbett.

5 - Scwarz and Petracca

Max has been one knee injury from disaster his whole career. His last big knee was over 10 years ago. Since then he pulled the hammy off the bone in 2017 and had a couple of PCL's which he has recovered from in world record time. The guy has been incredibly durable for the position he plays. He's the fittest big man in the league and at 32 probably still has two really good years left and then a transitioning out year or two. Grundy has been a pretty average player since 2019, when he was really challenging Max as the best in the game. Hasn't achieved anything of note from 2020 onwards. He sustained a reasonably significant knee injury in 2022 and then came back to suffer a foot injury. We recruited him hoping that he might get back to what he was 5 years ago. He's not going to be back to where he was. He can't defend, can't really take a contested mark, can't play forward. He can run and he is good below his knees for a big guy. That's about it. I'd take my chances with Max holding up for a bit longer.

I guess it might be now but back when we recruited Brown it took the 4 year deal to get it over the line. We won the flag so in my eyes will always be worth it. He's a good guy too, who is doing some great things with the AFLW program. Unlikely he'll play any senior footy again but I'm sure will lob onto the long term injury list at some point and enable us to pick up another player.

Excellent appointment by the Tigers. Wish him nothing but the best. A great servant of the Demons.

We won some of them - we also lost to Freo by 7, Carlton by 4, GWS by 2, Port by 4 and then the two finals by a combined 9. We beat Collingwood by 4, Gold Coast by 5, Adelaide by 4 (getting run down) and Brisbane by 1 (running over the top). So that's 6 losses and 4 wins in games decided by 7 points or less. If that doesn't indicate some level of above the shoulders fragility I don't know what does. Especially given that we had we had more shots in both finals, against Carlton in round 22 (16-14), against Freo (22-19), and against the Giants (20-12). Goal kicking is partly where you take them from and partly composure and execution and that last part is in the mind more than the body.

Van Rooyen plays in a way that is going to draw the attention of the MRO and tbh I don't mind that. The incident in the QF was silly but his attack on the man and ball has been hard and mostly fair in his first season. Our perceived softness is mental rather physical. And that perception will only change when we start winning the close ones regularly.

I guess it'll show what they are made of. Sheedy did something similar after the 1983 GF and the Bombers won the next two. That was after three years of finals failure. It was also 40 years ago. Times change but I think there is still a place for a good rocket. At the end of the day though, if the players aren't already feeling bad enough about a missed opportunity, and their individual and collective parts in that failure, then they aren't the right players anyway. I expect most will respond in the right way. Appreciate your insight WCW. Thanks for sharing.

It's a shame Jordan Lewis is so entrenched in the media. He'd be an excellent coach.