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This comment biggest laugh for me of the day Thanks (Even though the both parties have been infiltrated. Jules Bishop Glorious Foundation etc etc - sorry, couldn't resist)

Very very good.

This ^ (subtle demon branding please in the cafe etc without being off putting)

If we lose this, we pretty much can only afford a loss to WCE and Geelong right, and therefore must be Radelaide, Swans, Freo etc etc

Oh, cool. That makes sense. Interesting alternative.

Dear lord, what is the world coming to

OKie dokes. The growth issue is something else altogether - appears as though opposition to the population ponzi may be growing but the property/housing ponzi has much power so who knows how that plays out. Also too, most of the growth is West and SE of the city and I'd be interested to understand what proportion of that growth uses the city (as opposed to driving to train stations to commute in). I take the broader point about PT/cars etc and don't disagree people will still want/need cars. Be awesome to see some bike parking facilities/showers etc there too maybe (they may be better placed in the city). Anyway, all very interesting! Not finding the labels particularly useful FWIW.

going to pack this apart - the plan for the CBD is just that, the CBD. The proposed positioning is what, 1.1km from the Spring St Wellington Pde corner. I doubt that the proposed 30km/h pedestrian overlay would extend there, so in reality this could be a very good spot for a car park. The way Australian society is, and with the delays in/lack of proper public transport, there's still going to be a lot of car traffic looking for parking and driving around especially in that corridor. (your other points about consultation etc are obviously apt)

Can you imagine this thread on the Collingwood boards? I feel the dissection of options - delving into planning, change management, staff accommodation, traffic considerations, marketing, revenue, community value add, community engagement, future planning, etc - it really is a cut above. Bravo, all.

No, but you mentioned Bentleigh, Moorabbin, Sandy, Cranbourne etc. Why mention them if you don't think they're options. So, where do you think it should be built?

Geez 50 in one day!

The forum brinkmanship is unparalleled ! Love it

Ermagerd hipster

Yar but it fairly raises eyebrows like gyngells character in the 12th man - I'll have a schooner of drambuie thanks geez who knew a throwaway line in jest would have so much legs lucky I didn't mention the crowd favourite balvenie 12yo and lemonade

Already cut my jack Viney card up and fed to the goats

Whatwhatwhat? Qantas Club, pour a schooner of Chivas and Coke. (I'm just kidding)

It's probably best to settle in with a nice red or single malt (With coke) and read a good book (give Westworld S2 a miss, what a write off) and dart in/out of the AFL app for an update. But then, my constitution is a bit brittle and don't want #2 in utero to sense the reek of utter frustration that barracking for the MFC has caused thus far. Not a good vibe.

It would beat the Royal.

I'm not trying to be tedious, just understand your point My point is: the commercial/gym/secondary use facilities would be well placed here Training there is not an issue - when does training occur - not when most people can hop on/off at places you've identified I suspect (maybe wrong) most people who could attend are commuting into the city Get what you're saying about on/off at Jolimont but where else? In any case, if you could access the gym...in early, gym, watch training, work etc (I have no idea when training is, sorry if I sound dense) Then you've got the exec and admin arms of the club, they need to work there - I suspect a base near the G suits them better in terms of basic geographic location than the corridor you've mentioned...(depending where you are suggesting) Point taken about having to get off at Richmond and walk there, but what's the walk from Rich to the proposed site. 300m maybe? And to Jolimont, another couple hundred? To flip what I am saying - where else could it be taking all that into account. Actually, put it at Trevor Barker oval or in that precinct, perfect! Just kidding - you'll only really reach a limited demographic. But then, might be easier in overcoming opposition. Who knows. I'd have thought a base in the proposed location with all that signage frontage to Punt Rd would be very good marketing for the club..... (Again, not arguing for argument's sake - it's a very interesting discussion!)

Is the Oakleight, Bentleigh (and beyond) corridor demographic suitable to football? I don't think it's just about going where the people are. You've got the administrative and exec wing of the club and players too.

Boo hiss for the victim blaming.

Correct. One always must maintain one's decorum in the public arena, one has found.

At 3. "oh the shark colour and the red colour, keep your eye on the red and the blue" to be fair he has watched all the 80s guernsey games and watches Octonauts so it's pretty similar to shark colour ?

He's a [censored] Esse[censored]

Sadly grandparents live in a very nice coastal retreat which he loves so I don't want to bring out the nuclear option yet lest he call my bluff.