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Motlop had a 44 goal season in 13 and a 36 goal season in 15, in that regard he's a big upgrade on Kent. I think the problem for Geelong was that they've tried to turn him into an outside running midfield and he just is not up to the task, park him in the forward line and I think he could show a fair bit. People took aim at me last year for saying we have a good culture for him in regard to other indigenous players by saying "how is his ethnicity relevant?" Well there could be a sense of kinship there surrounded by a player like Neville Jetta who's a stand up community leader and Garlett playing exceptionally well this year to keep Motlop training hard as his reputation is being lazy even with Selwood and Dangerfield around him. So in that regard, we could perhaps provide something Geelong can't . We also don't make our players drink our captains bathwater.

Let's come back to the present though, would we give up a pick 10-14 at the end of the year for Zak Jones? On current form, would we trade Dom Tyson for Jones? I think most would say yes. Or going back to the draft year, would we take Salem + Jones instead of Salem + Tyson OVER Kelly? Why bring up Tyson? Well I think he's round about the kind of player we'd select with pick 10-14 i think.

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I have to wonder, if they're trying to off-load Tippett or Reid to keep Zak Jones, then we'd be best not taking the bait (if facebook tippett rumour is true) and instead making a push for Jones and considering Pedo as our full time CHF/ruck chop out for next year and re-assessing the ruck/fwd need in 2018. That gives Sydney not enough time to find a buyer for K-Tip/Reid, and then we can sew the idea more into Jones' head of a move south. When opportunity knocks sums up the Zak Jones idea. So we give up a first round? Wouldn't we trade Dom Tyson (1st Rnd) for Zak Jones right now? I would.

We may as well develop Oscar & Weideman for the same position at CHF or FF if Lever/May, Tmac, Frost are our tall defensive spine going forward, save injury. That way there is insurance on the forward position if one of them doesn't make the grade and another does and insurance on a defensive post. Double insurance if they are both adequate forwards and one of them nets us a trade. If not, then what was the plan for Garland next year? Delist him and give OMAC the Garland role that contends with a new recruit?

Who exactly are the gigantic american basketball defender equivalents that combatted these players and delivered premierships for the Dogs and Hawks over the past few years? I don't recall Franklin, Reid, Tippet, Patton, Lobbe having much influence in last years games against the Dogs? Boyd won the Dogs their premiership playing the Gawn ruck role, not as a forward with long arms. All games are won in the midfield, Getting pro-active would be looking at bringing in a 200+cm forward to add to the dynamic, not throwing a Mason Cox in defence. Max Gawn can drop back in defence as a ruckmen, anything else would sacrifice our speed and agility. I don't see any gigantic defenders running around for Adelaide, GWS, Geelong or the Dogs right now. They do have 196cm defenders though. Maybe we'll have to wait and see how good Joel Smiths leap is in defence and whether we can use him to advantage if we do not land Lever or another.

Just a thought, but he'd probably have got far more recognition nowadays if we'd traded him to West Coast instead of lowly Freo as it would've handed them both the 2006 AND 2005 premierships and put him back on the big MCG stage in September where he belongs!

And on this topic, Paul Roos on League Teams said he'd like to see OMac play forward (Instead of TMAC) while we have the holes in our spine, as he played forward as a kid. Wouldn't it be ironic if OMac became a more than adequate forward with an ability to take a grab (add in some goalkicking training) and Wiedeman became a Dustin Fletcher esqe defender in the VFL (hopefully AFL too) - Worth a try if it plugged even 1 hole.

When will he be? This season is showing that recruiting for a premiership in the next two years is what many teams should be doing including us, with one eye on the long term with responsible balance between using their draft picks for young players or trading them for established players. Zak Jones is a player that is ready to make an impact and be a solid contributor in 2018-2019. Stretch is currently in the VFL with no guarantee that he will become better than Zak Jones after 3 or 4 years. Same line of thinking goes into why we're wanting to recruit another forward or ruck/forward and not put all our eggs in the basket of hoping Weideman is a great player long term when the next 2 years are important in filling our holes because there is no guarantee that he will come on and if he doesn't, the team falls behind others long term and in the short term you're stuck with VFL level players rotating in and out of the side.

Even if Oscar or Wiedemann really come on in two years, that leaves two years of stressful weight being placed on the other players imo. It doesn't lend well to contract extensions in the future for players who could feel burnt out. And if they don't come on, then we've got to insure ourselves against it. Two reasons to recruit May/Def and Wright/Fwd

A few Sydney fans have said Zak has not been playing in defence most weeks but as an outside mid and only moved down there to help out a depleted backline earlier in the year as he's comfy 22, and developed there the years prior because that was where the only oppurtunity was (Stacked midfield). So he would be on the wing or would rotate through the middle at our club. They expect him to develop into an outside mid as Rohan winds down me thinks. Edit: Ok Rohan is younger than i expected at 26, but he's so injury prone anyway. and Kieran Jack also finished.

Aside from the calls for a Bruest or Gunston. What about a delisted player? Lindsay Thomas is currently drawing the ire of Kanga fans for suspension and form and might be delisted at the end of the year. If he was free, why not? He's kicked 322 goals in 200 games. He's currently 29 and maybe has another year or two. I'm glad demonland doesn't have a downvote button after this comment although the Moderators could ban me.

If Hibbo and Melk are looked at as an 800k/yr package, then it really isnt a big deal for our club to offer 800 or more with front loading accounting creativity to get an A grade player like Kelly.

J Howe. 80 goals from 100 games

Paddy playing like he's going to jump ship and head to another club on a big offer. Collingwood you'd think?

Prefer to chase Rampe or Alir Alir from Sydney. Need to spend 500-700 on an elite defender, not stack our team with another average one

In an alt universe, Lewis didn't take out Cripps and Carlton beat us. We then win the following 3 games to redeem our fanbase after the digraceful Carlton effort. Did he do it as third man up around the ground, or some lone centre bounces ? Said this yesterday, but if our game plan is to blow teams out of the water, then we should have a defender to alternate in the ruck so that Watts stays forward. Or if Pedo and Hogan are forward, have Watts and Lewis in the midfield together but alternating ruck stoppages, similar to third man up, but not. So to clarify like, it would be 60or70% Pedo and 40or30% Watts/Lewis or some Frostiness.

If he becomes good enough to get onto the list of a premiership side, then i'd imagine that he'd be more likely drafted by 17 other clubs

What happened to the Steven May suggestions?

Fame and lucrative sponsorship deals I suppse.

What was our backup plan if we didn't land Hibberd?

I think we want Hibberd more than we want any one of those 2nd round picks, it will be this years 2nd. Essendon have the cards

That we traded #25 and a 4year 400k contract for Melk suggests that we should be able to have that luxury and that we can trust him to not only hold his place but excel at being a rebounding half back. Hibberd shouldn't be in such desperate need. i'm sure he's valuable at that pick - but not so valuable as to compromise any bigger picture trade ideas we might have this year. I just hope that Melksham steps up to the plate, if we were to walk away from the Hibberd trade and go to the draft/use it elsewhere.

Fair enough though, its grand final week. SEN listeners don't want an indepth discussion about Melbournes list. Can do that next week. Robbo asked about Collingwoods list last night on afl 360 to buckley and i had to turn it off. Wrong time and place

No surprise considering he wasn't given at least one or two games in the seniors to show something. Seems like a waste, but if the club wouldn't want to even take one chance on weakening the 22 and giving him a go, then he was doomed.