Wiseblood

His first half gave us a real glimpse of the player he could be - good hands, very mobile and, while his kicking for goal needs work, we can see that he hit the scoreboard as well. He could be a real handy addition for us with Hogan going down.

Imagine coming back to Victoria... to play for Norf. I guess they had to get someone on the hook with all that money. They've missed on everyone else.

Got get 'em, Sam! I'd love nothing more than to see him kick a few and cement a spot in the side for the rest of the season, however long that may be, with Hogan out. It's time to get behind him and back him in for a good game!

Also, while it's hard to argue that his output is lower against Top 8 sides, our output across the board has been lower against those sides as well. Apart from 5-6 players, everyone is down on their contribution this season when playing those top sides, so it's not as if he's on his own in this. If the midfield isn't giving us much, and the defense is able to get back in numbers, what chance does he have? I know Tom has been a little better in this regard than Jesse, but then he didn't play the Geelong, Richmond or Hawthorn games earlier in the season either, and thus has spent more time playing the bottom 8 sides than the top 8 sides.

That stat changes all the time depending on who is in the 8. He has kicked 4 against the Cats this year and they've spent most of the season inside the eight.

What report is that, Moonie? All I've read is that someone asked Worsfold about him, he played a straight bat with the answer and the Sun ran with a report that they are targeting him. Doesn't seem like a whole lot in it to me.

It's SWYLs birthday, Moonie. OD is 10 years behind him.

Well said Steve. The way in which we use our forward entries is not conducive to someone like Jesse who prefers it on the lead or one out deep in the forward line where he can use his strength. Kicking it to him when there are 6 other blokes around doesn't exactly give him a chance to play to his strengths.

I know mate. It's not one of my best qualities when it comes to how I support the club. I'm too old to change now!

A key forward kicks goals - he has 47 for the year and you would expect he gets 50 by the end. He can take marks - he has taken 125 of these throughout the year which is very high for all key forwards in the comp. He has a great tank, which allows him not just to play deep, but to also play further up the ground. He is also an excellent field kick. I readily admit his kicking for goal still needs work, but this year he has been much, much better, as his 47.23 suggests. We are vastly underrating the bloke and his value to our side.

Where do we draw the line though, Moonie? Does Oliver have a couple of shockers and we start talking trades on him? I just think even considering trading a key forward, who is capable of 50 plus goals a game, when there is no one out there to replace his goals and his output, is a little short sighted. And BA's suggestions might sound good on paper, but they make no sense for us, nor would GWS or GC really entertain those at this point.

For me, there is no chance the Giants trade away either Coniglio or Whitfield. Whitfield I guess is a chance as he is Victorian, but Coniglio is turning into a star. Why would they trade him away? Not only that, with Cameron, Patton and Lobb, they would have no interest in also adding Hogan to the mix. Also, they are in their premiership window and would have next to no interest I would have thought in going back to the draft. Plus, the Suns just lost Tom Lynch. I highly doubt they would be willing to give up another tall as well Bottom line is that there is not much out there. I don't really want picks either, but then I have zero interest in trading a 23 year old key forward who is capable of kicking 50 plus goals a season. I think we are focusing in the wrong places in terms of how we could improve our list, and this is Exhibit A.

Who is this ready made player, who is actually available, that will improve us going forward? Who is going to cover the 50 odd goals that Hogan has kicked for us this year? I look forward to your suggestions. Remember, I'd like to see players who will actually be available and that we need to trade for. Gaff doesn't count because we can get him without trading.

Spot on. Hogan isn't helped by our obsession with just bombing the ball in long either. He's better when we move it quick so he can play one out, or lead up to the ball. Dropping it on his head constantly so they defenders can converge on him doesn't help his cause, which is what we are much more guilty of against the better sides.

Which part is hyperbole? The cold, hard stats or that I'm worried for some of our supporter base? You could make an argument that every player has a price. If someone went overboard and offered ridiculous amounts for Oliver then the club would still consider it. But you don't trade 23 year old key forwards that have just kicked 50 goals in a season. Okay, if he gives a hint to the club that he wants out then you consider it, but right now he's going nowhere.

Jesse has had 365 disposals, taken 125 marks and kicked 47 goals so far this season playing both as a deep forward and up the ground. But nah, let's trade him and put our faith in a kid that hasn't really done a thing at senior level. I worry for our supporter base sometimes.

In the first half of the game he was one of our best players. Alright, he missed a few easy shots on goal, but he was working his arse off up the ground to get into the play and make himself a focal point of our attack. When he got injured he wasn't the same, but got back out there and had a crack anyway. Talk of trading a potential 50 goal a year forward is complete madness.

What a surprise. @Dappa Dan put it best in the post match thread and he might like to cross post it here.

Take a second to look at the posters who agree at all with the OP. Once you have, you'll have all the answers you need. Joke of a thread.

That's one of the biggest lies I've seen on here. Trade Hogan? GTFO.

True, but I don't feel as though it was played out in the media like other clubs are want to do these days. Maybe I have selective memory, but I felt that, while it seemed like we were in the frame for Lever, we weren't splashing it all over the papers. North, for example, seem to be flinging money at any free agent that will listen to them. Not only that but it's affecting current players who have to wait while they try and lure other players so they can give them the money these other players might deserve. It's not a good look.

I'm always impressed with how well we keep information behind closed doors these days. North play all of their interest in players out in the press. The Saints have come out recently and declared their interest in Hannebery. The Bombers talk about how they want to wheel and deal during trade week this year. Us? We just go about our business quietly. We re-sign our key players and get the job done outside of that when we need to. There is no need to go through the press or to declare interest in players when we don't need to. We may well be into Gaff, but outside of the party line, you won't see us offering up info or leaking anything to the press. We're a professional club these days and it reflects in all facets of the day to day running of the team as a whole.

I'm more impressed by the Brayshaw family every time they give an interview about this situation.

Terrible news, even though we all knew it was on the cards. Never makes it any easier to read and hear about. RIP Jarrod.