Wiseblood

Is this the same Karl Langdon who claimed Hogan was stating in Melbourne according to his mum? Bloke talks out of his back pocket.

Of course they do. They think we will cave. On the other hand, Freo fans aren't known for their intelligence or knowledge of footy.

No surprise to see us knock the offer back. Who wouldn't? I doubt it's over, though. Still plenty of time for things to change. Freo will come back to the table with a much better offer before trade week is over.

Classic. Freo want plenty for Lachie Neale bit want to give up peanuts for Hogan. You can almost smell the irony. If I was Hogan I'd be [censored] off at Freo for valuing him so lowly.

Pick 65 isn't a head scratcher - he could have left and got there for nothing. We take it and move on to the bigger fish we have to fry.

True, and I see the merits of that discussion, but I think it's short sighted and too generalistic to call a trade a 'fail' when it's barely gotten off the ground. You can discuss how you feel uneasy or disappointed with what we receive, but you can't really call a trade a 'fail' from the moment it happens. We just don't know that yet.

You can feel that way now, but you can't be definitive on that. What if, off the back of the trade, we win a flag in the next 2 years? That makes the trade a massive win on all fronts. You can't judge it now.

Depends if they have any interest in the players we are happy to send to them. They won't take our scraps and Pick 11, they would ask for someone who is probably going to be in their best 22 to go with that pick. Not sure who we would give up.

You may be right. I can see other picks being involved in the deal as well. Possibly May and one of the picks they got from the Lions for Pick 11, or something along those lines.

If we get Pick 5 and 11, I'd be happy to trade 5 for May. You would rather do 11, but I doubt Gold Coast takes that. Then we have May and we can go to the draft with Pick 11 to snare a really good player. I doubt we do any better than that, but I'm not sure we could anyway.

We'll have to use one of those picks. Pick 11 would be preferable. The Suns have made it clear they want a good return for May. Pick 11 and then a mixture of other picks will get it done. Take 5 to the draft to get a gun.

I'd take Pick 5 and 11 for Hogan. Hopefully with Beams potentially going back to the Pies that Freo are able to extract more from the Lions, which in turn makes them happier to give us a little more as well.

As long as we get what we want, I don't care how long it takes.

Tyson deal to North is imminent according to Trade Radio.

Saints just put a tweet out saying he's going nowhere, so it might be a bit of a non-starter this one.

What I've seen of him hasn't impressed me much. Doesn't really get a whole lot of it, not real tough in the contest. It would be a bit of a head scratcher for me if we got him.

Won't happen for just Pick 39. They can get him for nothing in the pre-season draft. That deal, with us giving them a pick back, is more likely to occur at this stage.

I hope we don't accept it either LH, but I get the increasing feeling that we won't get what we all expect. I have faith in the FD though in that, whatever we do get, will make us stronger regardless of how we all see it.

Which they'll probably on trade to us for Hogan.

Right now, we need Preuss more than we need Tyson. That's why we do the swap. Forget how many games they played. We know Preuss can hang with the big boys and will be the perfect support for Max, something we've all been crying out for. Tyson has been playing at Casey and then shunted to a wing, where he has little impact, when in the senior side. I'd swap Tyson for Preuss every day of the week in terms of how well it will help to balance the list.

Now he just needs to sign a 5 year deal and I'll believe it.

He's over there doing the surgery now. Pics on his Instagram later.

While you're right re: Brayshaw, you could argue that about any Top 10 pick and how they'll make the transition. There are just as many failures as there are success stories. 2 Top 10 picks can be interpreted a few different ways, as in they don't just have to be picks. One top 10 pick and a highly rated player would fit the bill as well.

Depends how they feel about picks. If they want to hold on to one then they'll have to look at potentially moving a player or worth on, especially if we hold firm for two low picks. Plus that doesn't take into account any further swap of picks (eg. Hogan and next years second rounder for their first this year and Brayshaw) or something along those lines. I don't think it will be as cut and dried as Hogan for two picks or one pick and a player, as other picks may be involved in the deal.

I agree SWYL, even though I don't think that will end up happening. Would you be happy with a low first rounder (say, Pick 5), and a player like Brayshaw? I see it as similar to the two first round picks, plus Brayshaw has already had a year in the system and shown he can play.