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He'd be handy on a wing, Steve. Quick, good endurance, gets to the right positions. Plus he knows how to win. Get it done, Josh!

Why should he be disregarded? Is it his good year at Casey that has turned you off? The bloke could be good depth for us going forward. I don't know why I'm bothering to argue the point with you as you've got your mind made up, but I think you're wrong.

Read my post. I said we should consider it in terms of any interest in another backman, like Alex Pearce, which is what AF suggested. It has nothing to do with adding May to our list. We will go for him regardless. In my opinion we have no need to add a further key backman to our list outside of May.

Where did I say any of that? All I said was that there was some chance he could be upgraded, which means we would have plenty of cover down back, and thus we would probably not pursue two key defenders in the trade period. There's no need to put words in my mouth to back up your opinion on a player.

Hey Brad, guess what? Gaff isn't coming to Norf!!

Would we really go for Pearce as well as May? We've just re-signed O Mac, Frost is still contracted, we have Petty waiting in the wings and it sounds like there is a chance Keilty might be upgraded come draft time as well. Seems like a bit of overkill in the 'tall backs' department to me.

Brayshaw or Cerra. I'm not a huge Ed Langdon fan but you get the suspicion that they would rather add him to the deal than either of those two players.

I'll make the point here, as I'm sure others will question my post as well, that I'm not advocating for just one pick for Hogan. Far from it. I think he's worth more and I'll be a little disappointed if that's all we get. However, as you say, we don't know the true worth of a trade for at least a few years after it occurs, so I won't be ranting and raving if we were to only get one pick for him. Look at how everyone treated Ports off season in 2017 - journos were calling them 'October Premiers' for snagging Watts, Rockliff and Motlop. They didn't even make the finals. And of course threads like this are for those to rant and rave, and it annoys me that people bring that up, like it excuses them for any type of over the top behaviour. We can discuss things from both sides, which is what I was doing with Graeme in my earlier posts. Some will get upset, others won't. Both are welcome to those responses equally.

You weren't crude at all! I just didn't want to come across as if I was in my response. I think that second sentence sums everything up - you're right, we don't know what's going to happen, which is why we can't judge a trade until we see more of the outcome. Heck, we don't even know what we're getting for Hogan just yet. I'll trust Mahoney and co. to do the right thing by the club.

There are lots of possibilities, Red, one of which you've mentioned above. It could turn out to be a 3,4,5 team deal, it could be a straight swap, future picks are involved, and so on and so on. Some are getting all antsy that we will get 'unders' for Jesse, but there has been no indication that will happen. Freo didn't really shoot down giving up more than Pick 5, while Mahoney said we would be looking for one of the best deals ever done for a player. If you meet in the middle of that then you would expect two picks or one pick and a good player in return. A few low rent journos might be suggesting just Pick 5 is involved, but that is nothing more than their opinion.

I respectfully disagree, Graeme. Let's say, hypothetically, we get just Pick 5. We on trade that to GC for May and, say, a second rounder. What if adding May, KK in a separate deal, and say Preuss, allows us to win a flag over the next few seasons? Is it seen as a failure then, or a success? In the end, we can look at the point system all we like, but it's how we do out on the field that counts the most. There are too many 'what ifs' in play to call it a failure or success the moment the trade happens. Any trade needs time.

Trust the FD. It's rare these days that they make a mistake, and while one first rounder (if that's all we got, no player, no other first rounder) would feel like a low return, we won't know the outcome/impact for at least a few years. I know some will go off their nut if it happens, but it's not the end of the world. Having said that, I can't see it (just one first round pick) being all we get for Hogan.

You're following me around this board like a bad smell, Fan. I can't make a comment without you rolling up, beating your fists on your chest, looking for attention. Seems out of character for you.

I'm still in the 'meh' camp in terms of recruiting Colyer to the club. However, you would be silly not to at least back Goodwin in with this one, especially with how well the other two Bomber recruits have worked out. If he does come to the club then I certainly won't write him off, but at the same time, I won't be surprised if he doesn't crack our 22 on a regular basis.

There's a fair chance the Hogan trade, if it comes to fruition, won't happen until the very end. This thread will hit 300 pages before it does.

The bolded part is what I don't understand. You're getting annoyed about something that hasn't happened yet, and you're going off talk in the media to make up your mind. Who says we'll take unders? Sam McClure? What the hell would he know at this stage when both Freo and us have said we haven't had any dialogue over a deal yet? Let's wait and see how things progress before we get upset about it. And, outside of Hogan and potentially VDB, we aren't losing anyone else from our best 22 either. There's nothing wrong with that.

Just... calm down. Wait until things get rolling before you throw yourself off the Westgate Bridge.

Any news yet you chatty bastards???? P.S I love you all...

Yep, he did. A few others mentioned it earlier as well. Definitely one I missed. But there aren't too many more examples outside of Lin Jong and Dusty who have gone through with the tour and then stayed at their respective clubs. Doesn't mean it won't happen, but going by that you would assume Jesse is 95% out the door.

Depends how desperate they are to get one of the SA boys, plus they are likely to get Pick 6 from the Dogs IF Wingard decides to leave. If they went 9 and 10 for Pick 2 and a second rounder, for example, they might pull the trigger. That's an example based on nothing, but the lure of the SA players might sway them to bite the bullet.

Now that he's actually touring Freo's facilities? Yes, I am. Let it go, my friend. Let it go.

Not at all. This is much, much different to that.

As an aside, will Port put two of those together to get a higher pick? Say they trade 6 and 9 for Pick 1, then Carlton sends Pick 6 to GWS for Shiel (if he goes there) while keeping Pick 9 as well. There's probably no chance that happens, but it's common knowledge that both SA clubs are looking to get up the draft to nab the home grown talent there, so they may be willing to do some deals.

How would I know? He's only been in the system a year.

The kid will be a gun. Adding him to our midfield mix for the next 10-12 years would be terrific. Then we add May as well to shore up the backline and we make out like bandits.