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Have not read it yet, but does it say Melbourne or just Victorian?

Yep I thought that'd be the case, think Pies just playing games. They wouldn't have much cap space anyway would they?

Agree, guy is an absolute [censored].

Lol. Viney is a captain and a father son. Can't compare

Yep I agree with that, was just funny coming from a Crows mate that asked the question. Already in damage control over there!

From a Crows mate: why don't we get Watts to play the Lever role for half the price and better kick?

Jay Clark is apparently saying we are offering $750,000 over 5 years which is probably more close to the mark.

I don't think it'll matter, I think the crux of it is Jake and his GF want to come back home to Victoria anyway.

Is he here yet?

I like him and love him when he is on, however that is very rare hence my/our frustration. Actually I like, love and hate Jack Watts. Go to hell Jack, you are messing with my head!

It's not about round 23, it's about 9 years of mediocrity. We all know he has skills, but in 9 years has delivered basically nothing. I like him, we need him when he's in form, but I'm also sick of his lackadaisical efforts. The issue is, we won't get much for him, but do we rid our club of these kind of individuals to move forward from the Neeld days? I'm 50/50

Late second, early third is my opinion yes. We all know he has talent, but in 9 years rarely delivered. Two top 10 BnF finishes? Very much overrated Demonland favourite IMO.

Watts is the 3rd round pick

"The Man" lol On a lighter note, yes I do and I want him, but not for two first round draft picks. Rumour going around that its Watts + pick 10 to Collingwood for their pick 6 to on trade to Crows. If that happens its a 1st and 3rd round pick for Lever, which is fair IMO. (as long as he's not on $900k per year).

Who? I didn't see anyone specifically go to him last night at all.

I think Cat's kicking efficiency was probably the sole reason why their key forwards didn't do much, it was atrocious, gys like Lever who plug the holes will always get marks. Does anyone know the disposal efficiency of both sides? One thing that stood out to me and nothing to do with Lever was how quick you can score when not over hand balling the bloody thing, kicking moves it quicker and puts pressure on the opposition. Funnily, the last 3 sides left play this attacking style that kicking as a way to move the ball quickly, GWS Rich and ADEL. Compare that to our rubbish slop chop around packs and we have a bit to work on. Also does anyone have the kick to h'ball ratio for the crows? I think that's how I'd like to see the Dee's move the ball going forward.

And I still would NOT pay two first rounders for them, I would for Rance though. Two first rounders are for Rance, Josh Kelly, Dangerfield or Jeremy Cameron, not Jake Lever.

Agree.

Lol, now you guys are comparing him to McGovern! Did Gibson go for 2 first rounders? And would McGovern? No and No.

Exactly and thats why we shouldn't pay overs. As for Gibson, more often than not he played on all the key forwards and was predominately a KPP. Also, I have watched Lever every game this year, my wife is a Crows supporter and rate him highly, but he isn't worth 2 first rounders.

This is exactly the reason I don't think we should pay overs, he isn't a CHB at all. He's a floater and intercept player who plays loose in defence. He will never be a key position player so we, as a club, need to be careful/mindful what we pay him and give up for him. On last nights game, he isn't worth two first rounders nor one of our kids. He's worth pick 10 and that's it. He also doesn't have great skills either. What he does bring is consistency, leadership and reliability, but that isn't worth two first round picks IMO.

I reckon Lever will go to Pies, they have the picks ahead of us. Reason we kept Frost, IMO

Kelly, Wines, Martin, Oliver, Petracca, Viney.... oh whoops