Previously known as LITD.

Typical knee [censored] reaction.

Yikes...Lions make us look like sharpshooters.

Speaking of Spud' s era... This is a wonderful photo of two ex vfl players listening to the 1944 gf in Dutch New Guinea as it was then called.

Good call DD

I wish we had a Hogan type player with us. Oh wait. Four marks in the first. Nothing but the best of luck to him and i reckon all Dlanders feel the same.

Ouch.

I reckon May would kill it as a fwd. He is probably one of our strongest players in sheer physical strength. He's probably not that fast but apart from Max, would be our best at taking pack marks. But at 34 next year, he's not really our future gun fwd. He holds his ground better than Petty does. Although I have noticed Petty has been getting a little better in this area. Petty is faster but he seems to get caught out of position too often and the pies games was an example of his opponent getting in front of him. Maybe with Petty being a natural defender, he is used to playing from behind so he's struggled to overcome this. Petts does have reasonable acceleration for a bloke his height. Petty does get the ball to ground often enough but I just want a forward who can take more marks and convert well. And Petty would probably be better than May crumbing. But May reminds me of the old fashioned mold of a full fwd with mass and power but fitter. May, Fritta and Melksham firing in our fwd line would be ideal for me. Speaking of our fwd line, I think Sparrow when he does play, should always be in our fwd line. Going off topic but I don't think Sparrow gives enough return in any midfield role. Sparrow is a strong mark for his size and can kick long and accurately.

It's definitely a mind set. Often you see it in a game when the yips go through the entire team. But for us, it's been an ongoing case for a long time. I'm sure all.the players are always thinking about it and so it goes. I'm sure the club has tried various things to fix it. But we need all the help we can get. Dozens of Austrian Psychiatrists working around the clock. Standing on the sidelines giving advice and therapy.

This is what I'm essentially asking. Is Turner really our best defender? I think May is better. He has been a little out of form of late, but v the pies he reminded me he is our best. And again it's been so long since Petty played as a defender, people have forgotten how good he is. He is at least as good as Turner. So on this assumption, I'm arguing in swapping them, we don't lose anything from our backline and more than likely we will gain more up forward. Perhaps can I ask you, who you think would be the better fwd? I feel even without Turner in our backline, we have some stellar talent that many would be envious of and plenty to stop teams scoring against us. Perhaps this question is way too late given where we are at. That going forward so to speak, ideally we just find some new replacements. Given the ages of May, Lever and Tmac and the injuries they get, we will probably need both Petty and Turner defending. I think maybe if we began the year with the roles reversed we could have been a chance for finals. And it's not a question of hindsight. The writing on the wall with Petty fwd was there last year and it hasn't changed since. Our fwd line has been an issue for so long, I don't get why much hasn't changed. Our i50s count for so long has been wonderful. And often not the greatest of entries , more than enough for a competent tall to utilize. We've tried a few things and a few players but always stuck with Petty. I feel sorry for him. I'm sure he would probably love to be back in his old position. I've recently watched a few of our 2021 games and remembered how good he used to be. And Goody hasn't had much cattle so to speak to try but he's certainly stuck with a system and players that certainly haven't changed anything. A super competitive and dynamic fwd we don't have. Well we have Melksham back and it's made a big difference. Fritta was back in form and despite a few brain faded created havoc late in the pies clash. Imagine if we had a tall that could impact games as well. How many times has Petty kicked three or more goals? I haven't checked the stats but I'd happily wager it's less than the arguments I win with my better half. As our premier tall fwd his goal tally is around 0.7 a game. And yes he often creates a contest but you need more than this. Maybe it was different when we had more crumbers like Spargo and Anb about. And Chin when he was firing.

I think many of us have forgotten how good Petty was as a defender. And yes Turner has been one of our best, I still remember games when Petty was a rock in our backline.

Early on, but the tally in the voter room is favoring Disco forward. Will be back soon with some live updates.

Hopefully he will take Melksham' s role in a few years...probably less...and locks in down for twelve.

Let the people speak.

Same here but his stellar performance against the pies( It was the May of old) has made me second guess myself. Our backline is getting on a bit . It's another reason to move Petty back there as he will play a pivotal role in our future. He's been in the job for well over a year now and he hasn't locked it away. Not by a long shot. Petty can do some ruck duties as well. I'm hoping so much Jvr improves. I still think he will. This season is pretty much a bust now so let's use it to sort out some position experiments. We have May or Disco to try fwd. Disco has shown promise in the role but hasn't really had a decent amount of time in the position. Obviously we need to lure two more big key forwards somehow before next season. Or one and a player that can ruck.l There are a few delists coming up for sure. I think there's not much point moving May now because he's at the end of his career so it really only leaves Disco. Is Disco a better defender than Petty? I don't know. I do remember how good Petty used to be as a defender. But can we at least try swapping Petty and Turner for the rest of the season? Surely Turner would be a better fwd than Petty. We have more to gain than lose in this. Our fwd line has been broken for so long and credit to Goody for sticking with Jvr and trying Jeffo but this has to be an avenue to explore. Can we do a poll on this? I'm going to . I'll take the flack.

Who else is going to ruck. Petty? Maybe.

Yea he's good. But I think people have forgotten that Petty was one of best before being moved. As good as Turner I think. Probably better He set up our 21 flag down back. People have short memories. Not saying you are forgetting. And surely between May ( who proved on Monday that he is out best) or at least finally back to it, and with Lever getting slowly better is pretty damn strong .I mean you have to admit Lever in the past has been one of the best in the comp. And he's not over the proverbial hill. So if he returns like May did. People have forgotten Lever too. Then those three are the best choice. And Tmac to use as well. And yeah you have to play on form except in the case of dropping Tmac......you also have to consider our fwd line form. I don't see why it's so hard to see that the latter has been the weak link. So roll the dice. Season probably over and we may just discover a new fwd line that dominates. We all have favorites but I'm just looking at the facts. And Turner has only really played cameos fwd so we haven't really seen what he can do which I really feel would be a lot. Especially if he had as much time in the role Petty has or even half of it. And at he end of the day it really is fwd lines that win games not back lines, no matter how water tight they are. And for those who dispute this claim look at the pies games and a plethora of others. How many times have we dominated the i50s count and lost compared to other teams. Can we all at least admit our fwd line is broken and something needs to change? Surely.

Frittas game. A slow srta with a lot of effort. Then some consistent errors. Then some decent time of brilliance. Followed by what can be considered as over confidence. He could have handballed or chip kicked on two occasions that would have been definite goals. A bot like Kozzie who gets a rush of blood to the head. But kps manic play on and super confidence probably gets a pass given how many he does kick. And Fritta who has been struggling probably should have tempered his game. But it's a fine line when freakishly good players are on. Maybe it's that bravado that makes them impact games at times.

Do you agree Petty belongs back. Thank you for this acknowledge. And I know Turner has been a rock down back and it ain't broke and all that. Bit can you acknowledge our fwd line is broken. And as such would swapping Turner and Petts be such a howler. Yes we may lose a fraction of our defense but we would gain more fwd. No?

Just wondering what the plan is with Max resting and Jvr or AJ rucking in the middle. Could we rest him up fwd or does this not give enough recharge time. I know his goal.kicking is suspect but having a great contested marker there does wonders.

It's a good question and thanks for the lack of irony or criticism.And I'll admit I may be off base on this but I feel he is a natural defender with his athletic nature. The problem for me having him playing fwd is his lack of contested marking and goal kicking. I don't think I'm alone in this. I just think he's often slow to get in front of his opponent. He may do well in using his defending skills to punch the ball and get it to ground but we need more marks i50s. He also gets out jostled in situations and struggles to take a pack mark. But I do acknowledge we are probably short in replacements. So you have me here. I suggested the possibility of May but he was brilliant against the pies and I admit I'm wrong here. Tmac claims he's done fwd. Jvr is not delivering. If Petty goes back we still have him, May Lever and Tmac. Not too shabby. This would free Disco who is stronger in my humble opinion. Or we just hope AJ omes good. That's pretty much it. But it's two options. I just think we can't win games with our main tall constantly kicking well under a goal a game. I don't think anyone can claim Petty has been very good in his fwd role. Credit to him for playing in a role he's not great at but something has to give. Fritta and Jake stay fwd.Jvr or AJ for ruck. Maybe Jeffo for someone not performing. That's all we have ATM. I was really excited when Petty after only a few games fwd scored six v the tigers many moons ago but those days have faded. I was excited about Jvr too but despite another ordinary day, I'm not sure. Still hold some hope. Maybe if we move Petty Jvr will help better with Turner. Disco is a strong mark and a good set shot so that is why I want it tried. It's not like what we have been doing with Petty for a year has worked. Surely that means it's time for a change. Just the facts maam.

It's hard to get excited about this one. After such a deflating display by the umps. It has taken a bit of enjoyment from the game. Also tbh it's really frustrating that we are clearly better than our ladder position proves. I mean we beat the lions in Qld and technically beat Cwood. So it's also a shame that we are just so inconsistent. Had we made finals we could have been a real wild card. I feel our season is well and truly over. I think if we had given half as much of our last effort against St Kilda we would have demolished them. I am starting to believe we have a significant motivation problem and unfortunately that comes down to our coach. It's time to start to find another. Goody's insistence on playing Petts as a fwd is just wrong for me. And as great as a coach as he's been, it's time for him to go. Our fwd line issues are still unresolved. Again we kicked poorly against Cwood. Every single game we do it. And while I think we played outstandingly well last Monday, it's too little too late. Petty missing that goal with his first attempt sums our fwd line up. While the pies couldn't miss. I'm sorry if this is so negative but like the club itself , it's hard to stay motivated and enthusiastic when we kick so poorly and simply don't turn up for some games. Like my support, we all just all over the place.

Salem has become very inconsistent. But I'd still play him. We are lacking in depth. As long as Petty doesn't play fwd, I'm happy.

Defending Petty as a fwd is wrong. Someone mentioned he had two contested marks. One of those was way outside the fwd fifty...up on the wing. Didn't see the other one. But that's not enough. His set shots when he actually has any are atrocious. To be fair he was playing against a very good backline but he's just not strong enough in the core. He is athletic and is a natural fender. He averages around 0.77 goals a game. This stat says it all. Not even 20 for a whole season.

I rather be flogged by Bbo than watch that game again. Not because of how we played which I thought was remarkable. ( I wish we had that intent every game). But because of those umpiring it . I think I have a PTSD episode. Max as much as I love him, deluded to think they would give him a 50 m penalty. After all the times they penslised him in the ruck for some unknown reason. All in the last quarter by some strange coincidence.

It was enough for Kzp to stand and stare at the ump to let him know it was way too far.