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I am stunned by this terribly sad news. Like many others here I was too young to see him play but almost feel like I have through the eloquent postings often appearing in Demonland. Has the pleasure of meeting him and listening to him speak and, not only was he a wonderful player, but he was an amazing human. My heart goes out to his family, friends and all those whose lives he made, even just a little bit, better.

A preliminary search from last year reveals literally dozens of posts from people wanting to at least have a look at Greenwood. The only knock I found was people thinking he was either a) immovable from North or b) headed elsewhere.

Frawley may be holding all the chips, but Lyon is holding all the drinks it would appear.

Ha congratulating the club on not leaking info then encouraging some to leak...

You could say it's the same - and it might pass. Melbourne are probably the only club that would trade picks 17 and 41 for pick 55.

Given the strength free agency is already giving strong teams, I can only guess at what will happen with no compensation...

To follow that logic through, over the past 10 years only 3 of the games top 10 picks came from outside the top 10 - roughly 90 players per year selected outside the top 10. Making that about 900 players - only 3 of them in the top 10. Roughly .3% strike rate - much lower than 10! (This post is only in direct response to Bing's and not an overall statement of the draft.)

Call it 6 from 9 with a question mark then. I'm by no means saying top picks are the prized possessions many (including myself) have thought previously, but I'm also wary of ignoring how many of the game's best players are top picks simply because there are good players who weren't top picks. The reality is that only 10 players in any year can be top 10. Obviously that leaves much greater scope for quality players to come later in the draft (something like 80-100 players potentially). The key is in us getting the right people in and bloody developing them properly for a change. 2 and 3 for Dangerfield would be sensational. If it were to include an extra player from our end to win back a pick 10 all the better. Once you're on a list it doesn't matter where you were picked, you need as an AFL club to provide an elite environment which supports and expects players to reach their optimal level.

Ablett compromised because of Father/Son. Would've gone high. Obviously there are great players from a range of picks. Looking at the Player Ratings on the AFL website. Ablett Compromised Pendlebury Pick 5 Selwood Pick 7 Dangerfield Pick 10 Griffin Pick 3 Harvey Pick 46 (about 1000 years ago) Sloane Pick 44 Franklin Pick 5 Fyfe Pick 20 Boak Pick 5 Top 10 players in the comp rating-wise and 7 of them are top 10 picks.

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Aren't we getting 1.5 million extra as a one off from the AFL?

Still getting over Sheedy's "speech." I can only assume he was told he'd be giving a talk on the way to the event/stage. Happy for Priddis for a strange win.

I need this view explained to me.

What I don't understand is if 34 players admit to being duped by their own team in a systematic and deliberate breech of WADA rules (which it would have to be for the players to have been duped), how can they expect to have a club to come back to after completing their bans? Surely there'd be serious repercussions for the club which would far outweigh player sanctions?

They'll either rue these misses and let Hawthorn off the hook or eventually start drilling them and move away. I think the Hawks will have it.

Exactly what I came here to write.

6 weeks would just drag out the agony and inevitability even longer. If anything I'd rather a 3 week finals system 1st vs 8th etc where every game is an elimination match. Winner of 1st v 8th plays the winner of 4th vs 5th. Winner of 2nd v 7th plays the winner of 3rd v 6th. Highest ranked team to get a home final.

Best thing about getting Goodwin is that he's come from Essendon and can teach us how to beat them… Oh...

Does the Father/Son bidding occur on draft night now? And how does that work, does a rival club need to nominate a potential father/son pick at their pick then the club must respond?

Then you have Nate Fyfe. The problem with sweeping statements with the draft is that they fall apart very easily. People saying they'd listen to the 10% in future after the Wines pick are ignoring that they'd then be barracking for a Strauss/Cook type pick up. How about we do something as outrageous as support our young player who loves the place and has got to be EASILY the most mis-managed player at this club… since Jack Watts came to the MFC. He was handled so poorly through his first few games that that, combined with the rubbish side he has to play in and consistent injury interruptions means there's no wonder he's had a slow start to his career. Has things to work on in his game but certainly not one to rule a line through. Hoping for big things from JT next season.

The way you're carrying on about this, PF, the more I think that you're not right about things very often and you're feeling the need to squeeze every last drop out of this one.

Is it because they want the game as late as possible for ratings but can't have it too late because of the curfew at Adelaide Airport?

Don't see why it needs to change. Interesting could be 1 v 8, 2 v 7 etc. with all losers eliminated, winners straight through to the prelim. 3 week finals system, all matches elimination finals.

Watching the game I was thrilled for him in what was a great performance. Loved watching a tough, young player tear it ip in a final.Each to their own.