dazzledavey36

You're completely missing my point. I stated that at 19 years of age both Cox and Gawn had started playing AFL games because they'd already shown AFL traits to be considered AFL selection. Bradke is 21 next month and shown next to nothing that he has some AFL ability. At best he's a suburban standard player. Watching him closely on the weekend just proves my point. I understand the point that ruckman do take time and when you watch them at VFL level you want to see glimpses and walk away thinking that of given opportunity they can certainly make it. I had that with Gawn, Stefan Martin and Darren Jolly when he was starting out. They all had strengths that stood out and could certainly tell that it would translate into AFL footy if an opportunity was there. I don't see that at all with Bradtke. My point also is that Bradke has had 3 years on the list now and he's barely put on any weight nor has he improved as a player. At this stage of his development he should be playing the number 1 ruck role down at Casey instead of Daw. But obviously his form hasn't been strong enough to take that next step. Unless Bradke shows considerable improvement I can't see how he remains on the list.

Dean Cox was picked up as an 18 year old and debuted as a 19 year old. Max Gawn was the same, he debuted as a 19 year old. Lets not get in way of a good fact there. These guys had already showed by that age the glimpse and capabilities as ruckman to be playing senior football at that age. Bradke is about to hit 21 and did not show anything remotely on the weekend that had a hint of AFL ability in him. He was pushed off the ball far too easily on the weekend and just hates body contact. You can use the whole wait until he's 24 etc etc.. but these guys were already showing genuine AFL traits by 21, but still with a lot of development to go. In the 3 years of being in the system he's barely been on any size or muscle. Luke Jackson did it in one summer I have far more greater interest in Mac Andrew in the Dandenong Stingrays then I do with Bradke. It's glaring that on face value his physical development is still where it was when he was first picked up. On the weekend he was completely out bodied and pushed under the ball far too easily. I can tell you right now that as a current qualified PT you can still put on size and build your core up at the same time. Just like Luke Jackson did over the summer. I watched him at times out body McEvoy around the ruck contests on the weekend and it was fantastic to watch. Bradke is light years away at competing at AFL level. Not sure why you named Martin and Jamar? They were both physically and naturally big boys by the age of 21. Jamar had played 20 games and Martin had debut at that age and was playing CHB. At one stage he played on Matthew Lloyd in his first year. There are no comparisons there.

He's 21 next month mate.. He's had 3 years on the list and looks like he's barely put on any weight. Catching up to Max King and Lochie Fillapovic as one of the worst players I've seen. Will be delisted at years end.

Yep. He's gotten worse over the past couple of years. People make jokes about him being a drunk etc, but he's certainly got some serious stuttering going on.

You have serious issues

Ha.. Simon Goodwin was nothing but praise for McDonald in his post match conference. Tough calls is not dropping a bloke who had 22 disposals 10 marks and kicked 2.2. He won't be dropped and Goodwin will agree with me on this one.

Seriously talented.

Absolutely at this minute I do. Was not worried at 3qtr time. Was waiting for us to really put our foot down which we did.

The Max Gawn miss set the tone. ****ful performance.

This is ****house. Back to playing Hollywood football.

Deakyn Smith putting on an impressive performance so far. Had 10 disposals in that first half and uses the footy beautifully.

Weideman is ready for an AFL call up imo.

Here we go.. Bit like your thread how we made a mistake giving up a first rounder on Pickett? Funny how you've gone quiet on that.

Interesting we rated Ryan Sparkes at Pick 36 ahead of some kids who were were drafted 1st and 2nd round draft. Ryan Sparks is currently on the Casey Demons VFL list.

That was Sam McClure's gripe also. To be honest I understand why people would feel this way. Oliver still has a lot of maturing to do, and I think in the next couple of years we'll really start to see him become more level headed and wiser as he continues to grow as a young man. This is where Mark Williams will have a profound impact on him. Still a young lad just working his way through the system.

Nothing wrong with what Sam McClure. Happens with a lot of players that doesn't get reported to the media. Take Zac Marrett for instance, he toured our facilities and met up with Simon Goodwin. A trade was never going to eventuate, but just shows how interested we were in him. Not surprised that it's still the case.

Keep Brayshaw and get rid of Harmes.

[censored] yeah!

Poor bugger.

I may have said Morton could be next Robbie Flower also.. How bloody wrong was I.

That's not even my point. You called Martin a spud when he was at Melbourne and then when he was playing great footy at Brisbane. He's played 191 AFL games, won a club best and fairest in 2015 and yet is still number 1 ruckman at a club sitting on top of the letter. All at the age of 34 years old. Your judgement is [censored] poor. You called Ben Brown a spud when he was traded to the Dees without him even putting the jumper on. I can keep digging up some more pearler if you'd like but I'll save you the embarrassment.

Playing 1st ruck for a club that's currently on top of the ladder ?‍♂️

Hawks losing Lewis helps. Has played well the last two weeks. Good game to bring Petty in and get an AFL game under his belt before he takes on Richmond which will be a bigger task obviously.

Yeah but @Dr.D said he's a crap forward so that comment is pointless.....

The same days you said Stefan Martin was a complete spud when he left for Brisbane? Give it a spell Jumbo, you're so far off the mark over the journey that you're actually embarrassing yourself. Actually watch footy for once.