Devil is in the Detail

Surely WADA have to. This EFC case could set precedence for the rest of the sporting teams around the world.

There in lies the problem. AFL had their own agenda.

Again depends what was written in the waivers. Waivers, can seem insignificant but can be very powerful.

Was thinking as i posted that, which smarty was going to make the call. Been giving the EFC drug topic a bit of a push. Sorry newbie poster.

That was Wunderful

Spot on Chris. James Turd has abused this loophole in the due diligence check by the players, and that is why the EFC, AFL, ASADA and anyone else associated are at this point today.

This is a really good discussion I haven't read the waiver either. But generally waivers are set up to prevent companies from getting sued from obvious risks. eg. Sorry for the go-karting metaphor. The waiver form at go-karting is not signing rights away as such. But says that you understand the risk in the activity and if you get injured from this activity you can't sue us because you have accepted the risks. In the Essendon case, (if i was EFC) it wouldn't be written "legal drug" or "illegal drug" I would have written the name of the drug (whether how accurate the name was). Then it would be the responsibility of the player to find out from ASADA whether the drug is illegal or, in the Thymosin case, we require more information before we can say whether this drug is acceptable for use. So by signing the waiver form without doing the research with ASADA, the player have said they understand the risks involved with this supplement program, and take responsibility of future consequences.

Your first paragraph is indicating that the players assume that the club is right. It comes back to not trusting anyone. Assumptions are very dangerous. Who's to say that the EFC (which they probably did) fabricated this said document to fool the players. Then the players have to have direct correspondence with ASADA, could as easily be an e-mail (paper trail), querying the evidence and documentation the EFC supplied to them.

The fact that they intended to take a supplement (used loosely) supplied by Dank without going through the right avenues to make sure that the supplement (used loosely) was not illegal. If they had asked ASADA whether said supplement is illegal. It shows ASADA that the athlete has changed their intent to use the supplement by querying its legality.

Usually a waiver form handballs responsibility onto the person signing it. eg. Signing a waiver form when go-karting puts the responsibility of injury with the person who signs the form. If there are waiver forms. Depending on what the wording on the forms were, eg "Essendon FC is not responsible for any outcomes (outcomes used loosely) that may arise from the the use of this drug (could be legal or illegal)". If the Essendon player has not queried ASADA on whether said drug is illegal, and later said drug is found to be illegal. Doesn't signing the waiver from constitute intent.

First time poster. That's really good news for Aaron. Went and watched Casey v Williamstown. VanDemon is an absolute unit. Height and size.

Sorry for the question. Nothing to add to the intent discussion. Just wondering.

Was Wade Lees done for intent to take or trafficking.

James Magner Who......

This is where the Essendon players should have contacted ASADA and queried the legality of the substance. By this simple correspondence they have showed that their intent was not to take the drug. They have questioned whether the drug is OK, hence the attempt is not there, or the intent is lessened.

Sorry for the stupidity. Is there evidence that all 34 players signed waivers? As in they have the signed waiver forms. Or all 34 players have admitted signing waiver forms.

Thanks ManDee, Not arguing if something went into there body. (No Evidence - Paper Shedder) Just saying that it if something was administered into their body. No matter who did it, or who proscribed it. They are need to check with ASADA that it isn't illegal.

Hi, Long time reader first time poster. I agree with Chris. The players are fully responsible for what goes in their body. No ifs no buts. Doesn't even matter what the club doctor says. They need to check with ASADA. I am guessing that they get told this from very early on.