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ABC chairman James Spigelman to judge Dons caseThe chairman of the ABC, James Spigelman, and a Belgium-based barrister will hear the World Anti-Doping Agency's appeal in the Essendon case at the Court of Arbritration for Sport. Spigelman, a former chief justice in NSW who is midway through his term as chairman of the ABC, was nominated by the 34 current and former Essendon players to sit on the upcoming case at CAS. WADA has nominated Romano Subiotto, a Swiss-born British barrister and QC who practises in Brussels and London and is experienced in anti-doping cases, as its representative. This leaves the CAS to make its appointment and complete the three-member panel that will hear the case – expected to be heard in either Lausanne, Switzerland, or in Sydney. It is up the panel to decide where the case is heard, subject to the court's approval. http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/abc-chairman-james-spigelman-to-judge-dons-case-20150616-ghpjk6.html

Dank's dark deeds documented . . . but players took nothing, oh really?? HERALDSUN 16/6 Tribunal chief says the Bombers ‘swallowed’ Dank’s supplements program THE secret AFL trial of Stephen Dank has been blown open by the leaking of details of the confidential hearings. After months of AFL tribunal deliberations over Dank’s role in the Essendon supplements program, the Herald Sun has obtained the transcript of last Tuesday’s penalty hearing. http://resources.news.com.au/files/2015/06/15/1227399/212783-hs-file-transcript-2015.pdf

Junior grade footy. To think we pay our players the same money Hawthorn pay theirs! Joke!

Overpaid! Not up to AFL standard!

Bruce Francis accuses WADA of accepting bribe from Australian Gov. Sepp Blatter implicated! http://twitdoc.com/view.asp?id=201419&sid=4BEZ&ext=PDF&lcl=ATTENTION-DAVID-HOWMAN.pdf&usr=TheGovernorSM&doc=268229023&key=key-21k2wGGJvKVUI6oFizLL

James Hird, a cheat or just progressive? Let's just legalise doping in sport "All concerned are denying any wrongdoing. But why should they have to? Why should the use of performance-enhancing drugs be banned? We should allow all of them. Not just drugs, either: gene-therapy, DNA modification, the lot."http://www.smh.com.au/comment/lets-just-legalise-doping-in-sport-20150607-ghigev.html

Tracy was clearly not happy nor I suspect her Essendon master! ........................................................................................................................................................... Tim Watson and the SEN morning sycophants were in fine form this morning: Wada appeal to blame for on-field performance 2 DAYS before AFL tribunal handed down the not guilty decision "someone" from AFL suggested to E/dope players they should take guilty plea! Wada can't win appeal . . . even if they had Caro Wilson, Roy Masters, G Whateley and Tim and Sam Lane on the panel . . oops! Chip Legrande has a written a really great book on the saga . . .out soon! also listen for Tim trying to tap dance around a caller who asked "but what were they given" . . .gold! Edit . . this is correct link: https://audioboom.com/boos/3259463-tim-watson-on-the-independence-of-the-afl-anti-doping-tribunal-morning-glory#t=2m44s

Paul Hayes a Barrister with CAS experience interviewed by Tracy Holmes on ABC radio couple weeks ago. He seems to know his "stuff"!

When has he ever been right?

That sounds like a challenge? Doc, where on earth did you gain your certificate of "doctoring"? Did they not teach you to think for yourself? Your critical abilities, do they somehow become unavailable to you when analyzing the actions and utterance's of Goodes? (How am i doing so far . . that the sort of thing you want?) the statement: "Over 225 years, the Europeans, and now the governments that run our country, have raped, killed and stolen from my people for their own benefit. The total injustices that have been played out since colonization are absolutely shameful, and I now find it hard to say I am proud to be Australian." your question . . .. "What did he say that is incorrect there? Sure it might make you uncomfortable to face up to reality and the fact there are multiple perceptions of all events and their consequences, and for some it may even challenge their worldview. But what is factually incorrect about that statement?" my answer Well lets call it for what it is Doc "propaganda"! Sorry! Sweeping generalizations, stereotyping and the vilification of a group or whole race, devoid of balance, examples or exceptions IE "the Europeans", "raped, murdered, stole from" etc inferring a whole race of people with no exceptions committed horrific crimes . . is propaganda . . or worse! These sorts of statements are usually the domain of dictators and hatemongers to push an agenda, but in this case as we know it's only the rantings of a footballer. Yet despite their obvious transparency these statements pass by unchallenged, how is that? Why so hard for an educated man like yourself Doc? As to what is factually correct/incorrect in the statement . . No "facts" are presented! Just sweeping generalizations! So you can say it's "true", "false", "somewhat true" or "somewhat false" or anywhere in between, take your pick, it's totally open to the bias of your opinion! Our propagandist conveniently leaves out any helpful detail or "facts" content to just corner the reader to respond with his raw emotion! There is no request by the propagandist to go to the recommended reading column or research the historical time frame mentioned . . just believe my propaganda! Leave your rationality and critical reasoning at the door, thank you! All we can say for sure when reading that statement is the inferred proposition "all Europeans raped, killed" etc is clearly not correct. but in the hands of the effective propagandist even that line becomes blurred. So Doc you can accept a false proposition or you can reject it! Simple really! You may think otherwise but IMHO this is not an effective way to present a case to the multicultural population of 21st century Australia! But then we are talking about the rants of an immature man who brings nothing but division to an important conversation! The other question here: "the legitimacy of using propaganda and emotional blackmail to further one's cause" is one I'll leave for you to answer! Chrs PS To further exercise your emotional IQ, here is a statement similar to above, please see it as an opportunity to answer the same question you posed to me: the statement: "Over 40,000 years, the males, and the elders that rule our tribes, have raped, killed, mutilated and stolen from us our dignity for their own purpose. The total injustices that have been committed on us since the dream time are absolutely shameful, and I now find it hard to say I am proud to be an Indigenous woman." the question "What did she say that is incorrect here? Sure it might make you uncomfortable to face up to reality and the fact there are multiple perceptions of all events and their consequences, and for some it may even challenge their worldview. But what is factually incorrect about that statement?" your answer .......................... .

Jung foresaw the fool Goodes! Genius!!

Work it out! You are a Doctor aren't you?

People who hold themselves in unusually high esteem can go first . . . so after you stuie!

Mother Teresa AND Carl Jung posting on the same thread . .better get an ABC news crew down here!

Are you Mother Teresa? Hate is good! It must be . . it got Adam an AOTY gong! I luv all indigenous people bar one, whereas Adam hates everyone. He's the one to give your crystals and Hare Hare's to!

Now I know who Jack Nicholson had in mind when he uttered those immortal words. They were for you binman!!

Also for the apologist or so it seems! Anyhow Stuie, As his biggest fan you would think Adam would list your name as exempt when he rants on. Sadly he doesn't! Guess in his eyes you are just the same as me! Personally I find that quite offensive!! Chrs "Over 225 years, the Europeans, and now the governments that run our country, have raped, killed and stolen from my people for their own benefit. The total injustices that have been played out since colonisation are absolutely shameful, and I now find it hard to say I am proud to be Australian."

Roost It, on 03 Jun 2015 - 12:31 PM, said: You could be right Roost, so I've taken another look . . I decided to reframe this whole incident by using a more factual caption and see where that might lead. My choice: "Indigenous tribal elder humiliates 13 yo white girl"! is factual enough (if a bit confronting). Then I went to the academic literature to learn up on how women in general were treated in primitive Australian societies and specifically young women and their treatment by tribal elders. Lots of peer reviewed literature out there, I could post a selection here if you wish but to read it could be detrimental to your innocence! My next step was to ask "does a tribal elder in 21st century Australia hold the same attitudes toward women, do they sanction those same behaviors?" Adam needs to step up and answer that one for me! My take 'Roost it' is: if you want to set yourself up as a leader of your people then you better take ownership of the good and the bad. . the romantic and the barbaric, better be aware of the dark symbolism you portray and don't ever play the guilt game with modern multicultural Australians, you will be found out! Adam has been "found out" and is being treated accordingly! Chrs Stuie, what is it about you and the facts? "Indigenous tribal elder . . humiliates 13 yo . . white girl"! 1. Adam describes himself as "A very proud Indigenous man from Adnyamathanha tribe" and sees football as " an opportunity to show that passion, and that pride about being a warrior and representing my people and where I come from". Tick fact 1. Adam is Adnyamathanha tribal elder! Uses football "to show pride about being a warrior!" 2. A 13-year-old girl was ejected from the MCG. MCG security told her family to remain seated as they ejected the girl - and police detained her for what she said was two hours. The teenager was initially questioned by police without an adult present. When police found out she was only 13, they went and got her grandmother. Her mother said she believed her daughter was "very scared" when she was taken away by security. Tick fact 2. Reasonably assume she felt humiliated. Her age was stated as 13 years old! 3. Going by vision of the incident seems beyond question she was of European heritage ie "white". Tick fact 3. White 13 year old girl! "Indigenous tribal elder . . humiliates 13 yo . . white girl" Tick! Tick! Tick! So Stuie, facts still remain facts even if they are a bit confronting and presented in a manner not to your liking!

You could be right Roost, so I've taken another look . . I decided to reframe this whole incident by using a more factual caption and see where that might lead. My choice: "Indigenous tribal elder humiliates 13 yo white girl"! is factual enough (if a bit confronting). Then I went to the academic literature to learn up on how women in general were treated in primitive Australian societies and specifically young women and their treatment by tribal elders. Lots of peer reviewed literature out there, I could post a selection here if you wish but to read it could be detrimental to your innocence! My next step was to ask "does a tribal elder in 21st century Australia hold the same attitudes toward women, do they sanction those same behaviors?" Adam needs to step up and answer that one for me! My take 'Roost it' is: if you want to set yourself up as a leader of your people then you better take ownership of the good and the bad the romantic and the barbaric, better be aware of the dark symbolism you portray and don't ever play the guilt game with modern multicultural Australians, you will be found out! Adam has been "found out" and is being treated accordingly! Chrs

AzzKikA, on 02 Jun 2015 - 11:47 AM, said: I also have been doing a lot of reading on the plight the Indigenous people of Australia faced when the white man first came to this country and the atrocities thereafter. I have also read a lot about what the government has tried to do for them over the years as well to try to get them to be a better functioning community. While I cannot begin to understand what they feel, I still stand by my remarks that many are still waiting for the white man to fix things for them and again I cannot understand why that is. Is it hate for the white man, fear, no self belief? What is holding them back from becoming the people they dream to be? A "talent identification" program searching for mature individuals with community leader/management potential . . rather than athletic ability! Mmmm!

Thank you for your kind words binman, I feel the warmth of your comments I really do! Despite your claim that "Adam" has the super- abilities to hurt and heal lost souls I cannot be swayed from my assessment of Goodes : "A highly conflicted narcissistic boy-man working out his oedipal issues in some kind of public Shakespearean psychodrama". Put In simple form: your idol has feet of clay, your emperor no clothes, immature and a bully in need of considerable "work" before becoming a credible spokesman for lemonade let alone Indigenous Australians! But these are just words, I have another gif (as you call them) to help illustrate my point . . Enjoy! Adam Goodes picks on someone his own age . . . . .

Now stuie no need to get personal! I'm making an observation about Goodsy not you, if you also fit that description then my apologies . . it's just a lucky coincidence!

Not a saint just another "jock with a cause"! A highly conflicted narcissistic boy-man working out his oedipal issues in some kind of public Shakespearean psychodrama. Helping nobody!

The Empire strikes back . . . .