Dr evil

They all stuffed up mate, Hird, Dank, Weapon, AFL, everyone, the whole situation has been a disaster, not only does it show the EFC in a bad light, i believe it puts the AFL's corruption firmly out there for all to see, we've all see how they handle these sorts of things. the AFL tribunal found them not guilty... i mean seriously how they thought that was going to be allowed still baffles me.

Interested to hear opinions on the Brownlow, do you think the best course of action is to Award a brownlow medal to Sam Mitchell and Trent Cotchin Have no winner for the 2012 season? My view is that the next best and fairest player eligible should be awarded the medal.

isn't the subject the Bombers doping Saga? i am not being deliberately argumentative, but i am not sure what is okay and what isn't. maybe change the title of the thread if you're only wanting conversation related to Jobe handing the brownlow back, or lock it?

Just curious, but are you going to lock this thread now? because if discussing ASADA or the Essendon case is derailing the thread now it seems pointless to have it at all.

Watson was found guilty of cheating, he doesn't get to sit on his hands and wish it all away. I don't understand your sympathy for the players, they weren't duped, they were either dangerous ignorant or outright cheated, either way their actions wouldn't have been tolerated at a club with the games integrity at heart. he should have handed it back the moment he was found guilty if he wanted to honour what the medal stands for, not months later when the AFL has tipped him off to hand it back coz they were going to take it. Just think, the fact noone knows what happens tells you everything you need to know, they invested huge $$ into this program, there is no way they wouldn't have kept detailed records in order to determine if it was working or not, the fact there were no records and the players didn't declare injections says it all really. Jobe has done the right thing, but it took him way to long to get there.

I reckon that's a pretty soft attitude, if you're waiting for the facts to come out on the Essendon saga you'll be waiting for a while, reckon they're with the records.

I reckon that's more of a reflection on you rather than the posters trying to convince you, it's really not as complicated as you're trying to make it.

I suspect that's absolutely what it is and another side doesn't want to see their compensation pick take a hit if by some miracle he did warrent a late pick.

Ron they would have taken toumpas Norwood royalty

Saints will still take mccartin pick 1, I reckon they would even take Wright over petracca

Would be interested to see how they would go if viney played for port and wines played for mfc

Because at the time 90% of the football industry thought toumpas was better picket fence.

I watched that game and sat there closing my eyes wishing we had taken Wines and it was all just a bad dream.