Uncle Fester

Watts! C'mon boys! Make them pay for their misses

Yeah, skipper.

It's going to be hard to score if we don't get it into the 50

Yeah, but if we win we get 4 points. I'll take that.

Yes. It's not quite 'get them for nothing' but the bargaining position is greatly diminished. The ace in the hole for the player is to simply say I want this trade, and if you block me I'll just walk into the draft and you'll get nothing.

If the best legal mind in the country - Slobbo Robbo - says it then they'd be mad not to take his advice.

I'm in the same boat, but I thought I'd better add that line in case someone brought up RDB

Or what? The day I can't irrationally love my tribe or hate on the others, is the day I walk away from AFL. So Boooo, Col. Boooo!

You walk away from my club then you are dirt. I don't care how many times I cheered you before that. Unless you do it after giving us a flag. Everything is forgiven on that one.

It's already sad. But I'm not the one directing the movie. I'm just the schmuck that is paying to see the show. And I want some bang for my buck.

I hope they do. I hope they drain every cent they have in this already lost battle. Then Hird can go on Oprah and admit his sins, pocket another mil, while a once proud club lies dead in the gutter. If we are going to have the AFL story of the century then we might as well have one that plays out to the bitter end.

Rich. Sociopaths don't feel anything other than what gets them the best deal.

We didnt pass on Selwood

I used a hammer. Messy, but it worked eventually.

Is he still alive?

I didn't mention anyone by name. That's you either projecting someone else's argument on mine, or making it up in your head.

No. Just the ones that aren't going to be there when we play finals.

Everyone seems angry that we didn't beat a very good team. We didn't get smashed. We made them earn it. We're a bottom 4 side (and have been for a long time) that is making progress even if it's uneven. And sure we made skill errors, and sure we need a forward line, and sure some of the players that we've been relying on had a bad day, but if someone had have offered me a less thatn 7 goal loss to C'wood on QB in November last year I would have taken it in an instant. There was a lot of glass half full today, even if 3.10 was an ugly scoreline.

My issue is that this is the same non gameday stuff we got from the last mob, and the mob before that, and the mob before that. I seem to remember a quote recently about how we were about everything but being a football club. Well this is no different. Emblems, blazers, China, etc. Just get the football dept and team right and everything else will fall into place. That's how the big teams in the world got big. Not from tinkering with a song or coming up with a new cartoon to put on a letterhead. And I really like our song just the way it is. It's the sweetest sound in the world after a win. And I even like the outdated and not oft heard second verse. If any of that gets changed I'll be one unhappy supporter.

Sounded like a lot of hot air to me. Smash teams and win flags is what I want to see. The rest is smoke and mirrors that means nothing.

I don't really know who we should target - I'll leave that to those at the coal face - but what we'd offer (I assume) is a good player that we can cover. We don't have a lot of depth except in the backline. Our rucks are just on the park, our forwards are pretty much Dawes, and our mids have just been put together after years of not having much at all. Frawley would be perfect as trade bait for a gun player... but we don't have that luxury. I think that right now all we can really offer is picks and steak knives until we get more depth.

An A grade ruck is always going to be a good thing to have, especially if they can influence play away from ball ups and throw ins, but I'd rather an OK ruck division and great on ballers than the other way around. I think that the real point of ruckmen is to stop the opposition talls from dominating. If you can break even there then money and picks are probably better spent on guys that get the ball 30 odd times a game.

Possibly, but I think Occam would suggest it was just maturity. I know that at 24 I was a bit player but at 25 everything seemed to click and I went from struggling to hold a spot to one of the better players. Of course that was local stuff, but I've seen enough of it at AFL level (or in other sports like cricket) to realise that sometimes that's just how it works.

I just hope he can get himself to a good place. Football is a great thing that means a lot to many of us, but it's just a game. Whatever Mitch is/was going through wasn't a game.

I'm undecided. I'd like him to stay because he is a very good backman, and they don't grow on tree, but at the same time I have faith that the current regime will maximise our compo and that we can also fill the gap of no Chip. I'm in the odd position of thinking that no matter what happens we'll do OK out of it.