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I don't think we should be counting chickens just yet. Don't get me wrong I'm super excited by the potential ofbthese young guys, but they have a long way to go to be more than potential. Saying "we got this right unlike past early picks" is premature (except maybe Toumpas!). In Cale Morton's first 2 seasons he played in 40 games (6 wins), for 825 disposals (20.6 per game). Injuries (broken finger I think) and poor coaching stumped his development. And he gets remembered harshly because of the Lade pantomime. Trengove looked great from the outset.

Yup 12 days and return to training should follow the concussion protocols of no contact for the first bit etc. To stop it being used on an out of form player who was going to be dropped anyway.

I read something after that game where he or the coaches said how he had been training down back but with injuries in the game they said "look we know you've been training with the defenders but just go out and have some fun" or something like that. If I can find it, I'll post it.

We recruited Levee to play with OMac in the Diamond defence / zone defence era pre 666. The rule change hurt them both by forcing us to play them man on man. We recruited May to help rebalance. Omac was not able to adjust up as well as he needed to to keep a spot in the ones, he was let go as part of list management. Could have stayed as back up but we are debating the choice of number 30+ on our list. Omac trained down back at Carlton and was thrown forward with no preparation after injuries in a practice match. They haven't developed his potential in any way. Maybe a second club or different coach has helped remove psychological shackles he had, but that not to do with Goodwin. Good luck to him.

There are many easy ways of doing this. The AFL will choose the worst option.

I have heard that the goalkicker coming off the ground is a sport science thing. The pressure of lining up for goal, the thrill of kicking the goal, etc. is related to a surge in adrenaline. Increased adrenaline masks feelings of pain associated with injuries. So they bring players off so their adrenaline drops quickly, so that they don't miss muscle tightness, small injuries etc. and aggrevate them.

If we gave him the 3rd year we'd still have this thread but it would be about how everyone takes us for fools, we pay overs for players and we are a retirement home blah blah.

This is way OTT. The fact we didn't seem to be linked doesn't mean we didn't try, nor that we put all eggs in one basket.

One thing not mentioned here is that the ladder to date has been heavily influenced by an unofficial "conference" style system. Freo: Giants (W), WCE (W), Adel (W), GCS (W), Bris (L), WCE (W) Bris: Richmond (W), GCS (W), WCE(W), Adel (L), Freo (W), Giants (W) Adel: WCE (W), Giants (W), Freo (L), Bris (W), Saints (W), GCS (W) The teams ranked 2-4 on the ladder have all played 4 games against the bottom 6 sides, and are all 1-1 against each other. Someone has to win those games against each other. How would they have gone against the "middle of the table" teams like Carlton, the Saints and the Dees. Meanwhile, Melbourne has played the teams currently positioned 1st, 5th, 7th, 9th, 11th, 14th. We've won 3 games against the bottom 6 sides and we're 1-2 against top 7 sides, but we lost to the Bulldogs after we kicked 2.12 (7 scoring shots to 14). Collingwood seems to be a head above this year, and it wouldn't surprise me if 1 or 2 of Freo, Bris or Adel get found out in the last three weeks as they come up against teams like Collingwood and the next tier (North, Footscray and the Dees).

Williams joined us 2 days before the draft. Probably too late to seriously influence our strategy, but maybe not too late for some influence into individual decisions. Declase seems a "similar" type to Rossman in that he is a tall running winger. We don't have any other similar players on our list. Perhaps this is an opportunity to have a more developed mentor for Rossman in terms of how they play? And assuming Declase is more developed, it might also place some competition on that role as well, which is always a good thing.

R1 last year we went with: Pickett, ANB, Spargo, Bedford Plus Fritsch, Truck, Lockhart, etc.

So he is better at goal assists than our board and coaching staff? Fwiw I agree with you about his worth. He was critical in 2018. My problem is that when out of form he is a liability, and he needs to regain that form.

Not at all. He is ultimately responsible for this getting done, but as CEO he is responsible for all of it getting done. This person reports to the Chief Commercial Officer, who reports to Pert. Two steps down the chain.

Yeah terrible idea. Unless you have a committed group of board challengers, backed by the core community, don't do this. Even if you do have that alternative ticket, go sit and talk to them across the table and force changes not blood spill. This is a good way to get us to fold.

Should have let Burgess go to Adelaide when we had the chance! It's all Missons fault! We've never recovered from Bohdan Babijczuk's time at the club!

I agree with this. There is no way the AFL will pull the plug on GWS or GCS, they are long term investments that are effectively intended to be loss leaders for the sake of growing the game in multi sport states. 19 teams won't happen. 20 isnt likely either and only happens if they push out to "play each team once". But there isn't enough money to go around post covid. North have 1 foot in Tassie. Their AFLW team does too (they are officially called the North Melbourne Tasmanian Kangaroos). North are surviving but don't have great prospects of thriving in the future. It's hard to say it but it is probably the best option for them.

What frustrates me is that this whole situation could have been avoided my umpiring it correctly originally. They allowed players more and more latitude to play on sideways and not get called play on, so the man on the mark started creeping sideways to counter.

Oh absolutely agree on that. But I would expect all to be ahead of him as of today given that they have been retained on a list with a few years development or were drafted in the top 25 of the draft, while we was passed over by everyone in the draft and as a rookie, and is currently trying for a supplementary spot. I actually think Kozzie is the only genuine forward pocket there, with Spargo more a half forward (the role ANB has been playing). Although they are all different players, they are all competing for the same couple of spots in the next year or two. ANB isn't a mid; he wouldn't be a starting mid in any of the 18 clubs. So he is always playing as a small forward, high or deep, doesn't matter. Laurie and Bowey will both start as either a small forward or back, and might work into the midfield. However both played small forward as juniors at times according to draft reports, and for them to push into the midfield or back line they need to push someone out. Hunt played forward last year didn't he? And if we're naming all smaller players at both ends of the ground I should also mention Jetta, Lockhart and Salem. My point isn't that all are competing for the one role, but that they are all potentials for the couple of small forward positions that exist.

I'm all for giving him a go if we think there is some talent that may develop late. But as a small forward he is going to start behind: Kozzie Spargo ANB Bedford Hunt Laurie Bowey Maybe some of them develop to play HBF, wing, mid, HFF, rather than small forward, and maybe a couple are gone at the end of this year, but there are still a few ahead of him.

Oh I agree completely, it's primarily the coaches responsibility. What I was trying to say is for 2017-2019 was the coaches message: -"what Weid needs to do to win MFC games" (i.e. how to play alongside TMac); or was it -"what Weid would need to do to develop as a no. 1 or 2 key forward" (I.e. best practice running patterns). We put eggs in the TMac basket which didn't pay off. It wouldn't surprise me if those eggs included the coaching of players around him.

Oh absolutely. I wonder if playing alongside "non forwards" has confused the message though. Weid only played 3 games in 2016, so has played mostly alongside Tmac as a forward. TMac does not play like a normal forward in terms of positioning. In 2017-2019, Weid may have been instructed to play a certain way to allow TMac to do his thing. In 2020 Weid had to try and take the no. 1 role and run different patterns. But the patterns that would/could work for him would potentially be very different than TMac. I have no idea if the above is true but it seems plausible.

I wonder how much of that is the players around him, as much as the coaches. His main KPF team-mates were: 2016: Hogan, Watts 2017: Hogan, Watts, Tmac (part) 2018: Tmac, Hogan, 2019: TMac, 2020: Jackson, TMac Hogan might have been a strong performer but he was but a kid. Many observers note his poor body language at times, and also that at times of poor form he often stood still and waved for it, instead of leading into space. Watts was not a key forward, and played more as a flanker, utility. TMac is not a true forward in terms of craft. He had a period where he marked and kicked superbly making him the no. 1 forward. But leading patterns and separation from opponent aren't nessecarily his strengths. Jackson is a first year player with limited football experience. Who has Weid had to learn from or emulate? Who has lead had to work with in terms of leading patterns?

Line of credit could have been used to help with liquidity in time of crisis. With reduced cash flow and substantial asset value tied up in illiquid assets (ie stadiums) there was a risk the AFL would not have the cash to pay bills. By opening credit against Marvel, they had additional cash to make payments to clubs, so that clubs could keep operating too.

If you are a government, issuing bonds to raise debt is very low interest. Commercial entities borrowing new money at bank is relatively low interest. Existing loans or financial agreements could be at various rates. If the choice is between investments paying a high rate of return vs low interest debts, then you keep the investment (if you are liquid enough to survive). If it's between debt being repaid and cash invested at no interest, then repaying makes sense.

The reports seem to say that Collingwood are paying the difference between Treloar's contract with WB and the contract he had with them. That is the sensible decision: to get a trade the player needs to agree and the clubs need to agree. If Treloar has signed an agreement with the Dogs then Collingwood either would have known those details or should have known those details, before they agreed to the trade. This implies Collingwood is paying the full 1.5 mil.