mo64

You clearly missed the point of the loading debate. Nobody denies that loading takes place. It was the nonsense that we were losing games due to it, and we would peak come finals time.

But what about the loading? Aren't we supposed to be at our optimal by now. Hopefully this result shuts up the loading sycophants. We're 6-7 since round 11. This result mirrored our performances against better teams.

Bris v Richmond was another game where ruck domination was meaningless. 55-16 and Tiges lose. Tiges without their best mid Prestia was more impactful than Lions losing Oscar McInerney.

Herald Sun reporting that Geelong have pulled out of the race for Grundy. I can't read the full article. It says that it's us unless he can stay at Collingwood. https://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldsun.com.au%2Fsport%2Fafl%2Fafl-trade-news-2022-all-the-whispers-ahead-of-a-bumper-period-of-player-movement%2Fnews-story%2F39b0c254b2b672543f8226208b92dfb1&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&v21=dynamic-groupa-control-noscore&V21spcbehaviour=append

I said under the Roos tenure. If you hadn't noticed, he's been gone for 5 years.

Every year GNF promised us that we'd land a "Big Fish" under the Roos tenure. All we got was White Bait.

You haven't addressed either point. If Jackson nominates Freo, whatever WC have to offer becomes irrelevant, and is not a problem for Freo at all. And of course you are belittling Jackson. You are saying that he's too immature to call his own shots. Like most big decisions in life that people make, Jackson is factoring in his family. That's not the same as your assertion that his mum wants him at Freo.

Ok. So you borrow $10k from the bank and give it away to charity. You didn't give the money to charity, the bank did.

That's a horrible deal for us and the Pies make out like bandits. People need to wake up to the fact that the Pies need Grundy off their books if they want to keep DeGoey and get their trade targets. His contract at the Pies is a noose around their neck. Why are we not only assisting them in acquiring players, we're giving them a 1st round pick as well? t

You lost me when you said that Young and a high pick is equitable to Jackson. If Young was out of contract, Vic clubs would be offering a salary package marginally less than what Freo are supposedly offering Jackson. The fact that Young currently has a long term deal with Freo on less than extravagant money, it actually means that his trade value is equitable to Jackson, if not higher.

From the little I've seen of Sam Hayes at AFL level, he's purely a tap ruckman rather than a follower. Has no impact around the ground and takes very few contested marks. He's not the type I'd want as a no.2 ruckman.

I see more upside in Turner than Tomlinson post his knee reco.

Because that wasn't the question. I was responding to the assertion that if all the draftees from the past 3 years were available, Jackson would be the no.1 pick. Daicos is already a proven commodity, whereas Jackson is still a work in progress. So who would you take?

How can they be incorrect when neither of us know what the final trade for Jackson will look like? I'm betting that I'm closer to the mark than those suggesting that we should get a top 5 pick.

I'm not allowed to comment on a player we're allegedly chasing? You better let the Mods know, so that they can delete the other 1000 posts about Grundy.

Unless Jackson is happy to go to the Eagles, Freo are not in a bidding war with anyone. What people perceive his trade value to be and what we get, is likely to be totally different. The reality is that Freo won't be able to acquire a top 5 pick, so a top 15 pick, a future 1st and a fringe player is what I'm expecting.

This article makes me nauseous, with the talk that we'd have to give up a 1st round pick for Grundy.

Nick Daicos goes 1 and Jackson is not even close. I'd take Sam Darcy at 2. And there are numerous other players that have played more consistently better football than Jackson, such as Serong, Young and Noah Anderson.

Should Max be out injured for any period of time, I wouldn't want a makeshift ruckman like Weid as no.1 ruckman. You can get away with it for a week here and there, but not long term. Also a forward line the includes BBB, T Mac and Weid hasn't worked in the past. I'd like to see BBB and Fritsch as leading forwards, with T Mac and possibly Meek as a bash and crash forward. Weid hasn't created contests as a forward.

Weid's game yesterday was as well as I've seen him play in years. Yes, he's previously kicked bags at Casey against ordinary opposition, but he was up against seasoned AFL ruckmen, and competed very well. But I wouldn't be making a decision on the club's ruck stocks based on one game from Weid. Two weeks prior, he was absolutely putrid, and gave no effort. Assuming there's no interest from other clubs, I'd have Weid as the starting ruck at Casey next year. I'd be chasing a young ruckman like Meek, plus a rookie ruckman. Meek played in Freo's last game, so it will be interesting to see if he gets a game this week. Weid needs to show the same effort he did yesterday on a consistent basis before I'd consider him as a 2nd ruck.

No Bomber Thompson was always Bomber Thompson. I'm the same age and from the same area as him. Went to school with some of his mates.

Spot on. The knock on his kicking is justified.

Unfortunately he can't kick like Shai Bolton. But seriously Bedford is nowhere near as polished as Bolton. Can't question his endeavour though.

Weid and Woey playing well, though a bad miss by Woey. Buntine good in defence. JVR getting out-muscled. How slow are the umpires in calling a ball-up or holding the ball? Little wonder sling tackles occur.

But they can't burn their bridges with the Government, so it's a delicate situation.