Red and Blue realist

His biggest issue is that he'll find the ball but mostly bomb it high and long, my brother in law is a big tigers fans fan and when he was in and out of the side last year kept saying he could be one of the most damaging players in the league if he knew how to lower his eyes. He's been a fair bit better this year, but this issue still holds him back from being elite. While some have had the same opinion with Ed Langdon, clearly we're in the market for wingers who run all day, so that's why were linked. Being a free agent is handy as well.

No, but I'd give him 1 with incentives for a 2nd. Wasn't ever pushing for him it was a response to a question about who else was available. I also don't subscribe to the myth about the Hawks doctors being some kind of miracle workers who have better abilities then any others in the industry.

Well aware of that, but if he goes it'll likely to the Hawks for a 4th rounder, as another salary cap dump, which I reckon would be worth the gamble on a 1 year deal on not much. He's best in 2016/17 was seriously good.

They picked up Fogarty, who can't get a game, then through a series of other trades used the other pick to get a swap of first rounders with Carlton this year. We also picked up Petty with the 2nd we got back. So far Petty has shown as much if not more than Fogarty and thier plan to get a top 2 pick has been beautifully destroyed by us (in fact I think that's the real reason we've dropped down, we've taken one for the comp and ensured that the Crows don't come out looking good with their early trade).

He'll be biding his time waiting for Ryder to be traded and Westhoff to retire, plus Port showed incredible support when his parents died, so I doubt he'd be actively wanting out. He also is very inconsistent, much like Weid really.

We have the following who are under 24 - Trac, Brayshaw, Lever, Harmes, ANB, Lockhart, JSmith, Hore, OMac and KK, plus Salem and Hunt have only just turned 25. So we have a pretty strong core who have all played under 100 games. At some point you need to put experience around a young core, which is what we've done after going heavy in the draft for year (up until 2016 anyway. None of those guys listed above have played over 100 games yet, but a lot are in the 70s or 80s. Clearly they've loaded up trying to win, and got us to a prelim with that strategy last year (that seems to be completely forgotten around here). While this year had been bad, getting younger players in isn't going to fix that or complement what we've had.

Keith was originally part of the Suns first intake as a key marking forward, but then went off to play cricket, then when he came back to the game he was tried first forward then settled much better down back. Unless the club thinks he could go back to a forward role (similar to TMac and Petty) then I see no reason at all for him.

He'd still be playing off the half back flank, hopefully delivering it to AVB, Hannan and Melksham, in fact if we had those 3 up and firing it would probably make Jones' job a while lot easier. He shouldn't be automatic best 22 next year, but there's certainly a place on our list for him. If he left then it should be the AFL getting him to the Gold Coast as he's the type of leader they need. However it would be cruel to suffer the career he's had with us then be shipped off there.

There was another article about 2 days ago that listed the dogs, Saints and Hawks as interested and said that Melbourne had no interest at all. There's a whole heap of guess work and made up BS from jurnos at the moment

He signed up recently I think, I think we really need a quicker tall, tmac has a great tank and weid creates a great contest but neither are super quick off the mark, even a mid size super quick player. Not sure who though

Have heard that, but still worth asking the question, there's not much else out there. Callum Moore from the tigers is stuck in the reserves but is more a 2nd/3rd tall, but might be ok

He'll need to prove he can play again before anyone gives him a shot, he's played nearly no footy for 4 years, or managed a game or 2 then breaks down. He was a super talent, but is he anymore? He's more likely to be a mid season pick next year rather than be taken in the normal draft

Patton from GWS, I know the Hawks have been mentioned but if he's knees ok then he's worth a look

I disagree on both fronts, objectively people don't think of trades as to how the players are playing right at this very minute, they take into consideration their past and how likely they are to produce that again. Given their ages etc. Langdon is playing the best he ever has while Brayshaw is down, but clearly has more talent so gets a much higher return. I don't want Gus traded either but if he requested to go then I'd be asking for someone like Cerra, plus more, so that's where we might Langdon came in as well. Again I think we'll keep Brayshaw for the longer term and end up paying a second rounder for Langdon.

That was just horrible all round, it looked like Jones called for the handball then ran off in a different direction, while Frost stood there with his hands in the air while his man ran past unopposed into an open goal.

Could be right about that, if Buddy is a chance to play again this season, I reckon the swans will put a line through him shortly.

Think this is about right, especially if they give GC a top end priority. I'd say we might even try and turn that second round pick into our 2020 2nd pick instead. I think that Hill could end up at Geelong as part of the Kelly trade though. No they wouldn't, Gus finished 3rd in the Brownlow last year and has proven class, just because he's had a down year doesn't mean he's value has dropped that much. He'd still warrant a first rounder on it's own, pick 10-15 or so. Hypothetically if he did want to go west with his brothers then I'd be asking for Cerra and Langdon with no picks exchanged, unless we were going for Hill as well.

After the last couple of weeks I reckon he'll go to Grimes, he's been good at keeping McGovern and Carlise accountable and stopping them from getting too many intercept opportunities. Quiet remarkable that he's being doing these sort of roles at this point in his career. I also get the feeling it might be his last game Saturday night, one last dance under the bright lights at the G then settles into a coaching role.

Spot on, I think with Lewis and Cross in the past we've shown we're prepared to have that conversation plus both of those spent time in the reserves, so we back it up too. I still think we should give Jones another year at a low base, but at the same rate it'll be his last.

Pick 2 for HIll would be a massive stretch, maybe pick 2 and our 3rd for Hill, Langdon and their first (pick 7)? Was that how it was put?

He's still getting a game each week, and hasn't been our worst. We don't want another JMac decision by pushing out someone who will, like Lewis, be told he might not be in the seniors each week. Clearly if Morris is right and we've only offer $260k, which would be less than half of what he's on now, then it will be based on him not being automatic best 22.

Now there's an article from Tom Morris saying he hasn't signed, that we've low balled him - https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2019-melbourne-cocaptain-nathan-jones-yet-to-agree-to-new-contract-after-initial-lowball-offer/news-story/cb3e2d4d62dc0cc05ea9e9fe29c38773 Who do you believe Tom Morris or Mick Warner and Jon Ralph???

He's back for at least 1 more year. https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-daily-rolling-footy-news-from-across-australia-for-monday-july-29-2019/live-coverage/6090ea8f90cda33abbc409c5399c9c23

Agree completely, plus when we have good forwards who can lock the ball in longer it'll give the mids a bit of a rest so they might be able to do the 2 way running longer, and for the backs to be better set up against quick balls coming in. Fitness is the key to any game plan, but our game plan in particular. Garlett hasn't been great for over 2 years now, but we need someone in his mold, a real livewire in the forward 50 that demands attention even on poor days or who can turn a half chance into a goal. We don't have anyone else on the list like that, Hannan maybe but he's looked well short of anything this year.

Jones just re-signed for 1 more year, plus confirmation that Lewis won't go on - https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-daily-rolling-footy-news-from-across-australia-for-monday-july-29-2019/live-coverage/6090ea8f90cda33abbc409c5399c9c23 (behind paywall)