I don't see any problems only positives. Because......

We won't see any players in the media this week talking UP finals = POSITIVE

We won't see ND in the media this week telling us we are going to help shape the finals = POSITIVE

ND has shown us, yet AGAIN, that he is hopeless when having to react to other coaches tactics = POSITIVE (he is one week closer to getting the sack).

We are closer to getting the first draft pick = POSITIVE

Juice is one week closer to getting a game = POSITIVE

The 'annual tradition' of losing to the bottom team (or the game we should win) remains in tact = POSITIVE

Seriously, has anyone got a recent snow report? I don't think I'll be going to the footy again this year after that leaderless debarcle.

GO NEALE - just go! :angry:

Good spin Toad. Every snow loaded cloud has a silver lining.

Seriously though our lack of hardness in certain games (those against poorly performing sides) is doing my head in. Is it that hard to maintain a peak level of intensity for 2 hours out of 168 a week? Then again I have never played AFL so WTF would I know??

In a nutshell:

1) Bad team selection

2) Melbourne allowed Richmond to have loose men in their defensive area for too long

3) Not enough players in the forward line

4) The players were leading out wide and to pockets while the CHF area stayed completely clear

5) Melbourne were running down the clock when they were seven goals down

1) we are a lazy unaccountable bunch of front runners, where no one takes responsibility, man's up, does gut running or helps out a mate

2) we have the worst skills in the comp

3) we are poorly coached

I'll sum it up for you in one sentence, we are never accountable, be it on or off the field.

Nobody takes responsibility when it counts. We are all talk and no action.

I'll sum it up for you in one sentence, we are never accountable, be it on or off the field.

Nobody takes responsibility when it counts. We are all talk and no action.

Jaded that would be two sentences. Sorry, I just want to make you accountable!!

Go Neale - just go.

I'll sum it up for you in one sentence, we are never accountable, be it on or off the field.

Nobody takes responsibility when it counts. We are all talk and no action.

Well said Jaded..... sad but true !!!

At the end of 2002 after being beaten by Adelaide ND came out and stated we will not be seriuos contenders until we get a KPP forward and back, that year Robbo was at CHF and Biz at CHB, 5 years on not much has changed. Look at tonight Robbo our No1 KPP forward and Bizz like wise down back. We have Rivers but he is like Bizz good at zoning doesnt have the strength to play on power forwards and we have a choice of 4 KPP forwards who were avaliable tonight Miller, Dunn, Garland and of course Newton, none of these were picked leaving Robbo one against 3 for the first half.

Our season is dead lets see if Newton, Dunn, CJ, Buckley can play at this level they have been on our list for long enough give them game time and play them, don't sit them on the bench for 70% of the game like poor Petterd did tonight. Get Frawley onto a key forward, give him Lucas next week.

We were never going to win with that forward line...

Juice should have been brought in to give us some size up forward...

PJ is good but cant kick 5 goals in a game... Daniher refuses to play White forward and Robbo is a gun but not when he is getting sought out ecvery thrust forward.....

Daniher is a joke and his selction commitee should have a big look at themselves after tnights selections...

Pickett - crap

Yze - Joke

Alternatively

juice could have been bloodied and at worse we would off known he wasnt ready and Whelan could have came back to play on Brown and psychologicaaly smash him from wanting to go near the ball...

Playing miller would have been better than Yze forward. At least he has some size......

And again when Melbourne are getting beaten and the cameras pan up to th coaches box, how much faith do we recieve looking at Danihers face...

He simply has no idea and needs to move along with some of his friends...

We have spme young tough exciting players in the team in Chook, Bater, Slylvia, Belly, Rivers, Moloney, Flash, Ricky Bobby, Jonesey and Juice and co put someone compatent in the drivers seat of the school bus to direct us to a p-ship contender whilst we still have the champion Neitz to kick our goals...

i agree with you in some regrds, drops his head very easily and yes the staging for frees is embarrasing.

i don't think he's an overly selfish player per se though, as a relatively small forward, sometimes you have to be adn nor do i think there's anything wrong with being a little cocky.

im not sure about this goal celebratory issue, i find it hard to believe though bc as far as im concerned robbo absolutely bleeds for melbourne and btw he kicked seven last week.

Robbo is a gun but needs to keep on his feet and not go to the ground so much.. If he didnt go to ground so much we could lock the footy in more and keep opposition sides easily rebounding.

my gripe..

well this one at least is the subject of differing approaches by various coaches re: raw talent..and when to be allowed a run.

Now many will immediately suggest this is simply another " wht wasnt Juice played " gripe..

That only could barely scratch the surface. Look at other clubs.. and the differing view help by selection as to when some kids get a run, as an overall stanpoint. Micky Mouse is about to play a kid who has only played footy for one F'n bloody year !! Now he may come totally unstuck ( somehow I doubt it ) but its having some faith in the raw enthusiasm and desire of the "untried' to return a dividend on the investment of all those at a club who get these kids to the point of donning the boots for real for the first time.

Sheeds does it, Wallace does it, Rocket isnt shy, Clarkson revels in it, Laidley's been known to roll some surprising dice. Lethal has a habit of doing it by stealth but at Deeland apparently we know better the secret is to wait til they can somehow guarantee an AFL type performance !! ( strange that such requisites aren't necessary by many of the playing day's compatriots !! ).

I dont mind having a Rev for a coach if we must....but can we get one thats a bit more evangelical !! Someone who whos' really into sharing the faith !! Halelejah !!

Note to Danners ...like many here...we dont really care if they come a bit of a cropper when starting out.. some will take off on first jaunt down the runway, others will bunny hopa bit !! Its like we're saving al lthe goodies for a rainy day.. ...doesnt he check the weather ??

Sheeds does it, Wallace does it, Rocket isnt shy, Clarkson revels in it, Laidley's been known to roll some surprising dice. Lethal has a habit of doing it by stealth but at Deeland apparently we know better the secret is to wait til they can somehow guarantee an AFL type performance !!

Is it fear, or intimidation, or a lack of knowledge, or what?

When we play so called good sides, the so called coach seems to have some semblance of a game plan ( as poor as it usually is, it does bear some resemblance to a plan). When we play sides that are so called 'easybeats', no homework ever seems to have been done. Invariably, team selection is poor, appropriate match ups ignored, and attitude sucks.

Blind Freddy saw that Deledio was taken off so that he could avoid Godfrey's tagging. Why wasn't he put on him again as soon as he returned to the field? Why were 2 loose tiges allowed to roam our forward line? Why was manning up ignored? etc, etc.

Our pathetic excuse for a coach said he was "frustrated and angry" after the game. He said earlier in the year that if he felt the players weren't responding to him he'd walk. Well WALK.