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What better way to start a thread like this than with the Grand Final victory!

The detail is from a replay source of course as it's near impossible to do this sort of thing live

Hoping to be able to do this on a semi-regular basis but time constraints will mean that others would need to help out.  Or, I'll just post up a summary whenever possible. Much will depend on the need (or relevance)  But be warned, this exercise takes a bit of time if you want to try your hand!

Complete accuracy is difficult as well because some of the descriptions are opinions.  Happy to be corrected! If anything, the detail is a bit of a companion piece when watching replays

Anyway, here goes (just the 1st quarter for now, the other 3 quarters to follow) And we were certainly switched on in the 1st quarter ... should have been further in front, given our opportunities

               2021 Grand Final Melbourne vs Western Bulldogs

                                                1st Quarter

18.08 Petracca → Brown (Front Position - Left HFF) ... No mark, ball spilled free then cleared - OOF → ANB - Set Shot→  rushed behind     0.1

16.43 Oliver       → Brown (Made Position - Left HFF) ... Mark - Set Shot → Point     0.2

15.22 Rivers      → Brown (Front Position - Left FP) ... No Mark, ball spilled free then cleared

15.06 Salem      → Petracca (Made Position  - Left HFF) ... Mark, then played on → Goal!     1.2

13.41 Sparrow  → Fritsch (Made Position - Goal Square) ... Mark - Set Shot → Goal!     2.2

11.51 Petracca Fritsch (Made Position - Goal Square) ... No mark - Questionable free kick not awarded (Fritsch) - cleared (delib OOB)

11.34 Salem      → Gawn (Front Position - Left HFF) ... No Mark, ball spilled free then cleared

11.13 Rivers      → Petracca (Front Position - CHF) ... No Mark, ball spilled free then cleared

11.02 Salem      Gawn (Made Position - Left HFF) ... Mark - Set Shot → Point     2.3

08.21 Langdon  Fritsch (Front Position (2nd in line) - FF Area) ... No Mark, ball spilled free then cleared

07.21 Gawn       →  Into Space (Right FP) ... Bulldogs pressed (Kozzie) → Jackson → Spargo → Goal!     3.3

06.59 Harmes   → Gawn (Front Position - CHF Half-Volley) ... Ball spilled free then cleared

05.54 Kozzie     → Hand Pass smothered (CHF) ... Ball spilled free then cleared

05.41 Harmes  →  Fritsch (Made Position FF Area) ... Kick fell short - Bulldog dropped mark - Fritsch gains possession → Goal!    4.3

04.57 Salem     →  TMac (Front Position - Left FP) ... No Mark, ball spilled free then cleared

04.31 Salem     →  Petracca (Front Position - Left FP) ... No mark, ball spilled free cleared but - OOB → Petracca → Right FB - OOB - Ball cleared

03.59 Lever      →   Brown (Front Position - Left FP) ... No Mark, ball spilled free then cleared

03.19 PetraccaTMac (Front Position - FP) ... Ball spilled free → Brown → Snapped Point    4.4

01.28 Petracca Langdon (Front Position - Right FP) ... No Mark - ball spilled free → Langdon Snapped Point     4.5

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              2021 Grand Final Melbourne vs Western Bulldogs

                                               2nd Quarter

19.10 Salem → Jackson (Front Position - Right HFF) ... Mark → Pack (FF Area, GS) → scramble → Oliver → Snapped Point      4.6

17.56 Viney → Space (Left FP) ... ball cleared

15.51 Jackson → Brown (Front Position FF Area) → Mark → Goal!     5.6

15.02 PetraccaBrown (Front Position - FF Area) ... ball spilled free then cleared

14.38 PetraccaTMac (Pack - FF Area) ...ball spilled free then cleared

14.00 Brayshaw → TMac (Caught Behind - Right HFF) ... Bulldogs mark then cleared

13.37 HarmesGawn ( Front Position - Right HFF) ... Mark - Set Shot → Point (Goal?)     5.7

11.14 LangdonBrown (Front Position - Left FP) ... Scramble - Bulldogs free kick (?) ... ball cleared

08.30 Viney → Petracca (Front Position - Left HFF) ... Scramble - ball cleared

07.52 Gawn → Jackson (Caught Behind - FF Area) ... Stoppage - ball cleared

07.28 Bowey → Petracca (Front Position - Left HFF) ... Stoppage - ball cleared

06.15 Brayshaw → Jackson (Caught Behind - Right HFF) ... ball cleared → OOB ... Jackson tap → Spargo → Snapped Point    5.8

05.45 ANB (loose ball get - 50m arc) → Run on Point    5.9

04.31 Kozzie → Fritsch (Front Position - Half-Volley - Left HFF) ... Turnover - ball cleared

 

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After all 4 quarters are covered it will be interesting to see the patterns that will have emerged

For instance, it will come as no surprise that Petracca was involved in 19 Inside 50 forays ... either as the players releasing the ball into the forward 50 or as the target

Fritsch was targeted about 10 times for 6 goals and should have had another in the first couple of minutes of the game

Brown was another target (9 t,imes) and on 8 of those 9 occasions he worked his was to the front position ... a proper forward

And there are other standouts such as what was noted by Cyclops above ... Salem 6 forward entries in the first quarter and a bit

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           2021 Grand Final Melbourne vs Western Bulldogs

                                            3rd Quarter

19.58 Gawn → Kozzie (Caught Behind - CHF) ... ball spilled free → Fritsch → Snapped Point (Poster)     5.10

18.00 Petracca → Kozzie (Caught Behind - Right HFF) ... Bulldog mark then cleared

13.04 ANB → Scrambled Forward - Bulldogs clear ball out

 Not long after Bontempelli puts them 19 points in front! Concerned?  ... read on

10.47 Brayshaw → Brown (Caught Behind - Left FP) ... Bulldogs Mark then cleared

09.22 Harmes Fritsch (Front Position - Right FP) ... Mark → Goal!     6.10

08.36 Petracca Gawn (Front Position - FF Area) ... spilled free → Fritsch (out the back) ... snapped Goal!    7.10

08.21 PetraccaBrown (Caught Behind - Right FP) ... slight legal nudge - Mark! → Goal!      8.10

05.40 Brayshaw → Into Space (Left FP) ... OOB

05.09 BrayshawPetracca (Loose ball get - Left HFF) ... Scramble → Bowie → Brayshaw (LEFT HFF) ... Mark → Goal!     9.10

03.28 Sparrow → Gawn (Front Position - FF Area) ... Rushed Behind      9.11

00.58 Brown → Pack (Left HFF) ... Petracca (out the back) (Kozzie Block) → GOAL!!! (of the season)     10.11

00.39 Sparrow → Goal! (From outside 50) ... shepherded through by TMac     11.11

00.24 Jackson → (Handpass) Oliver (CHF) ... kicks from 45 → Goal!       12.11 (Bulldogs 9.5)

                                                  Bang  Bang  Bang!

 

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             2021 Grand Final Melbourne vs Western Bulldogs

                                           Final Quarter

19.35 Sparrow → Brown (Front Position - Left FP) ... Mark → Goal!     13.11

18.46 Spargo → Fritsch (In the clear - Left HFF) ... Mark → Goal!     14.11

17.55 Petracca → Running shot from CHF, outside 50 ... Point 14.12

17.38 SalemJackson (Front Position - Left HFF) ... ball spilled free Bulldogs clear

15.14 Langdon → ANB (Front Position, in the clear CHF) ... Mark → Goal!     15.12

14.26 Oliver → (CHF Scramble) ... Bulldogs clear

13.04 Fritsch → Langdon (Front Position - Left HFF) ... Mark → Goal      16.12

11.13 ANB → Fritsch (Front Position - Left HFF) ... Mark → Point      16.13

08.40 Oliver → Into Space (FF Area) ... Bulldogs clear

08.11 PetraccaTMac (Front Position CHF) ... Mark → Goal

07.05 PetraccaBrayshaw (Left HFF) ... Runs inside 50 → OOF

06.16 Bowey → Jackson (Front Position - CHF) ... Scramble → ANB → JacksonSalem → Goal!     18.13

05.43 Sparrow → Jackson (Front Position - CHF) ... Mark → Goal!      19.13

04.48 Gawn → Runs inside 50 → Rushed behind 19.14

03.05 BrayshawFritsch (Front Position - Left HFF) ... Mark → Goal!      20.13

02.12 Gawn → Handpass inside 50 ... Bulldogs clear

00.47 Gawn → Bulldogs Mark (HFF) then cleared

00.26 Oliver → Handpass → ANB → TMac (Front Position - CHF) ... Mark → Goal!    21.14 (Bulldogs 10.6)

 

                          Premiers!

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2 hours ago, Macca said:

05.09 BrayshawPetracca (Loose ball get - Left HFF) ... Scramble → Bowie → Brayshaw (LEFT HFF) ... Mark → Goal!     9.10

Not be pedantic scramble should be replaced by Pickett tackle on weightman  dislodges ball to Bowey

apologies but neutrals slagging  off on Picketts game  based purely on stats haven't watched the replay 50 times like others and noticed his 3 defensive actions that led to goals. …  rant over

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2 hours ago, Satan said:

Not be pedantic scramble should be replaced by Pickett tackle on weightman  dislodges ball to Bowey

apologies but neutrals slagging  off on Picketts game  based purely on stats haven't watched the replay 50 times like others and noticed his 3 defensive actions that led to goals. …  rant over

Good point, Satan! (that's the first time I've ever said that ... I think?)

I knew I'd miss a few bits and pieces due to not wanting to spend too much time putting it all together

For instance, when a player made space for himself in the forward line, I was assuming that the player had created separation from his opponent and thus was playing in front (sort of) We know he can't have just bobbed up by accident  ... he's worked hard to get to that position

But I just used the GF as a trial run to see how long it would take!  And it took a while! Too long if I'm being honest! 

My motive is/was the season proper and round 1 but I quite literally need about 4 to 6 hours to do it  (per game) So, we'll see

The alternative is to jot down a few notes and give a quick overview (player entry highlights and target numbers etc) ... but again, that's not the full story (as you've highlighted with the pressure that Kozzie exhibited that led to the 3 goals scored)

Or,  we're stuck with just the total inside 50 count and how many goals & points we scored ... which doesn't tell us a great deal

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31 minutes ago, Macca said:

Good point, Satan! (that's the first time I've ever said that ... I think?)

I knew I'd miss a few bits and pieces due to not wanting to spend too much time putting it all together

For instance, when a player made space for himself in the forward line, I was assuming that the player had created separation from his opponent and thus was playing in front (sort of) We know he can't have just bobbed up by accident  ... he's worked hard to get to that position

But I just used the GF as a trial run to see how long it would take!  And it took a while! Too long if I'm being honest! 

My motive is/was the season proper and round 1 but I quite literally need about 4 to 6 hours to do it  (per game) So, we'll see

The alternative is to jot down a few notes and give a quick overview (player entry highlights and target numbers etc) ... but again, that's not the full story (as you've highlighted with the pressure that Kozzie exhibited that led to the 3 goals scored)

Or,  we're stuck with just the total inside 50 count and how many goals & points we scored ... which doesn't tell us a great deal

Thanks

Phenomenal work ….. still trying to think what to do with the info though. 

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25 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Thanks

Phenomenal work ….. still trying to think what to do with the info though. 

Yeah we don't want to be doing the work of an opposition scout, mono!

But seriously, going through the exercise highlighted to me how complicated the game has become and how much the players need to be totally educated on the whole game plan ... and of course, they also need the ability to carry out all the tasks. It's a big buy-in

There are also all the midfield structures and plays as well as all the linking up and stoppage work

And then there is how we cope and act with regards all the opposition forward forays (inside 50's)

There's still a fair bit of old school stuff involved but it's a very complicated game these days

Interesting how we attacked through the left HFF a lot of the time too.  I would never have know that beforehand

 

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As for the DE stat (Disposal efficiency), for  those players disposing of the ball inside 50, Petracca would have been marked harshly ... which is a total nonsense

57% by my calculations (inside 50 entries by Petracca)  ... metres gained and his target not winning the ball when they could have won the ball aren't factored in. 

Petracca even gets awarded a clanger or 2 for 2 of those inside 50 forays as his target was outmarked (caught out playing from behind)

What do they say about stats!

 

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