Forward entry at Training

[Pates 9,649]

If I had to guess where part of this disconnect has come from it might be 6-6-6. In 2018 when we were winning clearances we had players coming from behind the ball so there was an instinct to look at who was behind to take the extra pause and sum up the leads. 

Now if we win clearances we blaze away and bomb without looking. Now if that what the instruction is then the forwards need to hold their leads to judge where the ball is coming. 

Having said that we have even more entries that aren’t from centre bounces that end in the same way, Hibberd and Langdon were our worst offenders against WC. 

[D4Life 2,435]

2 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Of course it was practiced, it was practiced nearly every session

Unfortunately the practice didn't equate into the first real game

It had been good in both Marsh games and the North practice match, I also thought it got a bit better in the last 2 qtrs against West Coast 

With all the cost cutting  I am sure the Club would look at some of the coaching experts on here popping down voluntarily to teach the players

Thanks for responding.

How did Langdon, Hibberd, & Spargo go during training, we’re they executing successfully, or do they just not have the skills? I’ve read they were the major culprits Re poor disposal into the forward line in round one.

[jnrmac 20,040]

On 4/6/2020 at 6:11 PM, Pates said:

If I had to guess where part of this disconnect has come from it might be 6-6-6. In 2018 when we were winning clearances we had players coming from behind the ball so there was an instinct to look at who was behind to take the extra pause and sum up the leads. 

Now if we win clearances we blaze away and bomb without looking. Now if that what the instruction is then the forwards need to hold their leads to judge where the ball is coming. 

Having said that we have even more entries that aren’t from centre bounces that end in the same way, Hibberd and Langdon were our worst offenders against WC. 

Do you really think that is the instruction?

[TGR 1,367]

Sad fact is that if Donald Trump came in at the start of 2019 and instructed all I50 entries to be a torpedo or a drop kick, our scoring rate per I50 wouldn’t have been worse.

[kev martin 9,549]

I noticed a few times the forwards playing a kind of 'ring a ring a rosy', before leading during simulations.

The area was central and 10 metres from the goal square. It included two or three attackers and the defence. 

Running in arcs in a congested area, they'd pick off the defensive player, get in the way of a defender so as to get a step ahead, get a clear lead or get a mismatch.

The half's were out on the 50 helping with the final connection. Plenty of fast ball movement around the outside of the fifty.

Sometimes they set up the halves to be at the front and centre of the aerial contest often when Weids was leading to the boundary.

Bombs into the forward area with this set up merely put the ball into the pack of defenders. With a defence that zones and sweeps then the lead is easy to spoil, especially if not precise on the delivery.

In previous years they practiced in a line down the middle spaced 10 metres apart and led laterally and at different times, then rotated back to the central area and go again if they weren't the receiver. I didn't see much of this style.

Another set up was with all players away from the forward line and the players leading back into that space. Seemed to work well when we moved it quickly or  when in possession on the boundary line. The resulting mark was close to the goal for an easy conversion. (A sweeper on the last line would easily defeat this strategy.)

Another set up was everyone in conventional spacing and giving short lateral leads to the space behind defenders, Fritch was an expert.

Hope this helps, but of course it is only a bit of a guesstimate as to what was happening. There was plenty of set ups that appeared routine and I couldn't see the structure.

Tag D4life

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Edited April 8, 2020 by kev martin

[Pates 9,649]

3 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Do you really think that is the instruction?

If done with intent it could well work, if the idea is to get the ball in quickly to a certain location within the forward line and the forward structure matched that then yes I think it could be a workable tactic (not one I’d personally go for but yes a deliberate tactic). 

If the tactics are to look for and hit up leads then our midfield is barely even coming close to doing that. 

Edited April 8, 2020 by Pates

[jnrmac 20,040]

11 hours ago, Pates said:

If done with intent it could well work, if the idea is to get the ball in quickly to a certain location within the forward line and the forward structure matched that then yes I think it could be a workable tactic (not one I’d personally go for but yes a deliberate tactic). 

If the tactics are to look for and hit up leads then our midfield is barely even coming close to doing that. 

Everything coming out o fthe mouths of the coaches points to this. They are failing badly. Furthermore it has been a problem for a very long time.

We got away with the bombing thing in 2018. Its the outlier.