9 minutes ago, Redleg said:

You are changing the argument.

You said we lost those two games because of a lack of talent on the list.

I strongly disagree.

We lost because of a poor mental approach.

Do we need more talent on the list, yes of course we do, but they are two different arguments.

Ok then we still disagree because I am saying no matter how much effort you put in not enough skill will prevent wins. IMO a higher average skill level would have won us the game. We were sadly let down in the first quarter by poor delivery which resulted in Goals to the Pies. Better talent I.e. Skill level would have meant most of the kicks that hit the Pies would have hit Dee players and less goals for the Pies in the first quarter and then we win the game. 

Now matter how hard you try lack of skill will bring you undone in the end.

 

8 minutes ago, old dee said:

Ok then we still disagree because I am saying no matter how much effort you put in not enough skill will prevent wins. IMO a higher average skill level would have won us the game. We were sadly let down in the first quarter by poor delivery which resulted in Goals to the Pies. Better talent I.e. Skill level would have meant most of the kicks that hit the Pies would have hit Dee players and less goals for the Pies in the first quarter and then we win the game. 

Now matter how hard you try lack of skill will bring you undone in the end.

 

But that's just it, IMO we didn't try, or at least try hard enough and it seems all at the club agree.

8 minutes ago, Redleg said:

But that's just it, IMO we didn't try, or at least try hard enough and it seems all at the club agree.

I don't disagree that the effort was lower than most games especially when you have a place in the finals on the line.

better skills would have got us there in that game in spite of the reduced effort by some. 

A strong mental approach = talent. 

In some cases that strong mental approach is a player's greatest strength (Tony Shaw,  Tony Liberatore,  Selwood et al)

Our best player this year also had an unwavering strong mental approach - Clayton Oliver. 

I'm with @old dee on this one.  We need more players like Oliver but instead of 4,  I reckon we need 6 more players of his ilk if we're going to become an ongoing contender. 

4 teams in the last 2 decades have built and had super-lists (Lions,  Syd,  Cats & Hawks)  ... it will take time but I see no reason as to why we can't build such a list.

Take GWS for instance - loaded with talent but have they got the mental aptitude?  I'm almost sure that it's there but can Cameron harness it?

My natural bias wants them to fail but all bias aside, they can be a strong contender for years.  Can be.

 

 

Edited September 17, 20178 yr by Macca