What I'm most optimistic about this team in the future is Simon Goodwin coaching, players who he coached at Essendon want to come play with us because of him. That makes me think his a really good peoples person and players will want to play for him, follow his game plan and play harder to make sure he stays around.

Remember how hard it was for Mark Neeld to get Collingwood players over? There was obviously a reason for that.

2 minutes ago, ILLDieADemon said:

Remember how hard it was for Mark Neeld to get Collingwood players over? There was obviously a reason for that.

Errrrrrr.......

 

On 26 June 2016 at 9:50 AM, ILLDieADemon said:

What I'm most optimistic about this team in the future is Simon Goodwin coaching, players who he coached at Essendon want to come play with us because of him. That makes me think his a really good peoples person and players will want to play for him, follow his game plan and play harder to make sure he stays around.

Remember how hard it was for Mark Neeld to get Collingwood players over? There was obviously a reason for that.

Dawes came over within half an hour of Neeld signing. 

I don't want Goodwin to be mates with players. That causes division. 

He must have full respect from all players

Do what i say. 

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Dawes came over within half an hour of Neeld signing. 

I don't want Goodwin to be mates with players. That causes division. 

He must have full respect from all players

Do what i say. 

Please read the thread title SWYL.

25 minutes ago, Ricky P said:

Please read the thread title SWYL.

Got nothing to do with it when ridiculous statements are made. 

Neeld was a dud coach but he had no problem bringing players with him. 

2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Got nothing to do with it when ridiculous statements are made. 

Neeld was a dud coach but he had no problem bringing players with him. 

No, really. You have the rest of Demonland to be unerringly negative.

2 hours ago, Ricky P said:

No, really. You have the rest of Demonland to be unerringly negative.

So ridiculous statements are all ok in here are they?

On 27 June 2016 at 2:38 PM, Sir Why You Little said:

Dawes came over within half an hour of Neeld signing. 

I don't want Goodwin to be mates with players. That causes division. 

He must have full respect from all players

Do what i say. 

If it was that quick then why was it reported that after several calls to Daws He had to knock his door down to talk him into it?

Why was it also reported that the only club Wellingham didn't want to be traded to was Melbourne when his old midfield coach was now head coach there?

The "do what I say" management goes not work on Gen Y mate.

Edited June 28, 20169 yr by ILLDieADemon

2 hours ago, ILLDieADemon said:

If it was that quick then why was it reported that after several calls to Daws He had to knock his door down to talk him into it?

Why was it also reported that the only club Wellingham didn't want to be traded to was Melbourne when his old midfield coach was now head coach there?

The "do what I say" management goes not work on Gen Y mate.

Respect always wins out

Wellingham always wanted to go home. He was never going to a Victorian Club

Edited June 29, 20169 yr by Sir Why You Little

On 6/28/2016 at 0:06 AM, Sir Why You Little said:

So ridiculous statements are all ok in here are they?

Nothing ridiculous about d'land SW! Nothing at all! 

 

54 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Respect always wins out

Wellingham always wanted to go home. He was never going to a Victorian Club

There is a world of difference between 'do what I say' and respect. Having respect for someone can mean you do what they say, doing what someone says does not mean you have respect for them. If fact, having someone heavy handed and demanding often means there is little respect as respect is a two way street.

If you listen to Roos' comments a while back it is clear he has changed how he manages the players as the young guys respond to different stimuli. The 'gen y' kids want to be taught, they want to be listened to, and they want to learn. If you can give them that then they will respect you and will follow you lead. The world they have been bought up in is faster with infinitely more options so if you go down the authoritarian route then you lose then very quickly and they look for other options where they can learn. 

This is different to how it was and is better in some ways, it is also worse in some ways. It just takes a bit of an adjustment to the way we think and you get the same outcome, sometimes a better one.

On 28/06/2016 at 0:06 AM, Sir Why You Little said:

So ridiculous statements are all ok in here are they?

If they weren't Demonland would cease to exist

36 minutes ago, Chris said:

There is a world of difference between 'do what I say' and respect. Having respect for someone can mean you do what they say, doing what someone says does not mean you have respect for them. If fact, having someone heavy handed and demanding often means there is little respect as respect is a two way street.

If you listen to Roos' comments a while back it is clear he has changed how he manages the players as the young guys respond to different stimuli. The 'gen y' kids want to be taught, they want to be listened to, and they want to learn. If you can give them that then they will respect you and will follow you lead. The world they have been bought up in is faster with infinitely more options so if you go down the authoritarian route then you lose then very quickly and they look for other options where they can learn. 

This is different to how it was and is better in some ways, it is also worse in some ways. It just takes a bit of an adjustment to the way we think and you get the same outcome, sometimes a better one.

I never meant a coach has to yell and scream at players. 

By Respect i mean you don't have to be best mates to have Respect. 

I think we are on the same page. 

2 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I never meant a coach has to yell and scream at players. 

By Respect i mean you don't have to be best mates to have Respect. 

I think we are on the same page. 

Agreed, I think the 'do as I say' line must have come across the wrong way as it made it seem very authoritarian. 

3 minutes ago, Chris said:

Agreed, I think the 'do as I say' line must have come across the wrong way as it made it seem very authoritarian. 

The kids want to learn so they do it the way the coach instructs them. If they follow that through and it works then mutual Respect will grow. 

Goodwin better know the way to do it. 

He is in charge. The FD and Players must Respect that.

If that Respect breaks down or favourites are given preference Goodwin won't make it

We're not that far off the pace, as evidenced by our results against current top 8 teams thus far this year...

• GWS now in 4th place - in round 1 Melb - 80 def GWS 78 (win by 2 pts)
• North now in 5th place - in round 3 North - 136 def Melb 131 (loss by 5 pts)
• Doggies now in 7th place - in round 8 Doggies - 114 def Melb 82 (loss by 32 pts)
• Hawkes now in 1st place - in round 11 Hawks - 82 def Melb 64 (loss by 18 pts)
• Swans now in 2nd place - in round 13 Swans - 86 def Melb 31 (loss by 55 pts)

Average margin is a 21.6 pts loss.

4 of our 7 losses are to top 8 teams

1 of our 6 wins are over top 8 teams