vale` Gough Whitlam

[nutbean 8,837]

why even go there to that crapp column ? I haven't read his stuff for about close to 5 yrs.

Because I try to read widely. I read a lot by people I agree with but I think ( hope ) it broadens my knowledge and understanding by reading people I don't agree with.

And on the "don't agree with " scale Bolt rates right at the top end - but I read him none the less.

[dee-luded 2,958]

Because I try to read widely. I read a lot by people I agree with but I think ( hope ) it broadens my knowledge and understanding by reading people I don't agree with.

And on the "don't agree with " scale Bolt rates right at the top end - but I read him none the less.

I agree with you listening to others thoughts, but never will I waste my time on him again.

anyway back to a great Australian... Gough

Edited October 24, 2014 by dee-luded

[nutbean 8,837]

I agree with you listening to others thoughts, but never will I waste my time on him again.

anyway back to a great Australian... Gough

What I do find amusing is I could actually write Bolts column for him - he is THAT predictable...

[daisycutter 28,722]

What I do find amusing is I could actually write Bolts column for him - he is THAT predictable...

pot, kettle, black ?

[Biffen 12,522]

pot, kettle, black ?

Dc, It is well known you only attend the Family First meetings out in the Religious East for the corsetted sexual energy.

[daisycutter 28,722]

Dc, It is well known you only attend the Family First meetings out in the Religious East for the corsetted sexual energy.

true biffo, i usually drop in for a quick eye over on my trips to the green's druidic re-enactments under the oak tree just to sample their nice green herbal cookies

it's called networking old coq

[Biffen 12,522]

true biffo, i usually drop in for a quick eye over on my trips to the green's druidic re-enactments under the oak tree just to sample their nice green herbal cookies

it's called networking old coq

Comrade,

I must admit ,my communist youth has left me regretful that I may never get to attend the conferences in the Cedar forests of San Francisco and witness a human sacrifice ,however I shall press on for enterprise.

[nutbean 8,837]

pot, kettle, black ?

not really...

I hardly know what the hell I am going to say next so how would anyone else ?

[daisycutter 28,722]

Comrade,

I must admit ,my communist youth has left me regretful that I may never get to attend the conferences in the Cedar forests of San Francisco and witness a human sacrifice ,however I shall press on for enterprise.

you must be confused biffo and mixed it up with the columbian maya re-enactment group

[Guest]

Hey DC,
I moved away from Willy. I'm no closer to Burwood these days. Thus I remain one of the unwashed masses.
Any tips you can give me so I can fool people like yourself into thinking that I am a member of the social and cultural elite?

[Earl Hood 5,870]

Guys is there any chance of restoring some decorum to this thread at least until Gough's memorial service later this week? You can do this [censored] for tat back on the Not the B and S thread.

[Earl Hood 5,870]

Following on from my plea above I liked Ross Gittens' review of the Whitlam government's economic performance in the Age last week. He put the Australian economy and the major performers in the economic context of the time to show that no one knew how to deal with such a new set of problems but then he finished by stating that Gough's economic mistakes at the time held us back for nearly two decades as opposed to other counties who worked their way out of it in one decade. Gittens made that statement right at the end when he had run out of word space so couldn't clarify his statement. I can't detect anything Gough did that was still a millstone on our backs 20 years on myself. But I could make an argument for the negative impact of the deregulation of Hawk and Keating haunting us through the 90's and beyond. I would love for Gittens to clarify his opinion more one day. Bough had his faults but he was a victim of circumstances as well.

[daisycutter 28,722]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

move on earl, it's the 21st century, man

[Earl Hood 5,870]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

move on earl, it's the 21st century, man

Sorry to wake you up DC just me maintaining the rage. There aren't many of us left but for what it is worth Gough's passing has forced us to look at what has changed since the 70's in politics. And the view is not pretty, we now live in an era where politicians are kept on a short leash by their corporate masters. But very few realise how much things have changed for the worse.

But worry not go back to your slumber and sleep well!

[daisycutter 28,722]

Sorry to wake you up DC just me maintaining the rage. There aren't many of us left but for what it is worth Gough's passing has forced us to look at what has changed since the 70's in politics. And the view is not pretty, we now live in an era where politicians are kept on a short leash by their corporate masters. But very few realise how much things have changed for the worse.

But worry not go back to your slumber and sleep well!

enough with the mythologising and romanticising of der leader, comrade

yes, today's pollies are two faced husks lacking credibility and vision, but gough's time was not the golden age you reminisce

back to slumber and turpor

[Guest]

Quick question about yesterday's funeral service.
Did Latham turn up? If he couldn't forgive Gough on a day like that, it is truly sad.

[Earl Hood 5,870]

Quick question about yesterday's funeral service.

Did Latham turn up? If he couldn't forgive Gough on a day like that, it is truly sad.

I don't know if he was there Colin but reading his article in the AFR (an amusing broadside at Bolt and Gerard Henderson) this morning I doubt that he is carrying a grudge large enough for him to boycott the memorial service.

[Earl Hood 5,870]

enough with the mythologising and romanticising of der leader, comrade

yes, today's pollies are two faced husks lacking credibility and vision, but gough's time was not the golden age you reminisce

back to slumber and turpor

DC do yourself a favour and at least listen to Noel Pearsons oration at Gough's memorial. Very moving stuff and it has nothing to do with the very mundane stuff about interest rates or loans affairs, it is about people, giving the underdogs a chance and the legacy he left and the fact Gough had a go. He was able to negate the bastards like old Joh in Queensland.

That is my argument, not that he didn't make mistakes but he had a bloody good go at it. As opposed to today's small men!

[nutbean 8,837]

Did Latham turn up?

Not sure but I wanted to draft Latham as unlisted free agent.

I just believe he is the no nonsense tagger like Crowley that our club has been screaming out for.

[daisycutter 28,722]

DC do yourself a favour and at least listen to Noel Pearsons oration at Gough's memorial. Very moving stuff and it has nothing to do with the very mundane stuff about interest rates or loans affairs, it is about people, giving the underdogs a chance and the legacy he left and the fact Gough had a go. He was able to negate the bastards like old Joh in Queensland.

That is my argument, not that he didn't make mistakes but he had a bloody good go at it. As opposed to today's small men!

thanks for the suggestion earl, but i'm trying to avoid being radicalised - lol

[dee-luded 2,958]

DC do yourself a favour and at least listen to Noel Pearsons oration at Gough's memorial. Very moving stuff and it has nothing to do with the very mundane stuff about interest rates or loans affairs, it is about people, giving the underdogs a chance and the legacy he left and the fact Gough had a go. He was able to negate the bastards like old Joh in Queensland.

That is my argument, not that he didn't make mistakes but he had a bloody good go at it. As opposed to today's small men!

he changed the direction & the flow of our nation, & he gave leadership to the people to be able to stand for their ideals, & to take issue with politicians & other powers...

he gave us all our voice, the belief that we caould make a stand & a difference. = fairness. & things like mabo & land rights, the springboks & apartheid, the vietnam war, etc

he gave the people some power

Edited November 7, 2014 by dee-luded

[Guest]

Not sure but I wanted to draft Latham as unlisted free agent.

I just believe he is the no nonsense tagger like Crowley that our club has been screaming out for.

Well they must have nicknamed him Biff for a reason. Maybe that could translate into a decent tagger. He would have to lose the man boobs first though.

On a more serious note, I hope that Gough and Latham did reconcile before he passed on. I don't think it gave Gough any joy when Latham left the Labor leadership, burnt all his bridges and cut off the bloke who he had described as a father figure over what seemed to me to be a fairly trivial comment that was passed on by a 3rd party (who he has also fallen out with, Joel Fitzgibbon) and was given without context.

Edited November 7, 2014 by Colin B. Flaubert

[Grapeviney 9,048]

DC do yourself a favour and at least listen to Noel Pearsons oration at Gough's memorial.

Best speaker in Australia - hands down.

he gave us all our voice, the belief that we caould make a stand & a difference. = fairness. & things like mabo & land rights, the springboks & apartheid, the vietnam war, etc

Paul Keating actually.

Well they must have nicknamed him Biff for a reason.

Taxi driver says hello !

[dee-luded 2,958]

Paul Keating actually.

Yep Keating & Gough for their work for our aboriginal mates, giving them land rights & helping restore some lost pride & hope.