They are not even close to the match of many other clubs. Sorry. Rose coloured glasses. If I had more time I would type the equivalents at a couple of clubs. Agree however that our under 25s haven't been given a fighting chance due to leadership and until very recently, facilities and coaches etc...

I don't agree with that at all. We have a decent base of kids. And I didn't say they were the best - I merely implied that they are not a mirror of our current ladder position.

Coll: Pendlebury, Dawes, Wellingham, Brown, Reid, Beams, Blair, Sidebottom, and Fasolo.

Haw: Puopulo, Birchall, Suckling, Smith, Stratton, Rioli, Whitecross, Savage, Breust, Gunston, Shiels.

Ess: Hocking, Ryder, Gumbleton, Jetta, Crameri, Hardingham, Hooker, Howlett, Reimers, Myers, Bellchambers, Zaharakis, Pears, Hurley, Malksham, Heppell.

WB: Addison, Higgins, Grant, Wood, Roughhead, Jones, Libba, Dahlhaus, Wallis

StK: Milera, McEvoy, Armitage, Geary, Steven, Stanley, Cripps, Saad, Siposs

Carl: Bower, Hampson, Gibbs, Kreuzer, Robinson, Garlett, Henderson, Curnow, Yarran, Lucas.

Rich: Nahas, Grigg, Houli, Edwards, Riewoldt, Rance, Cotchin, Vickery, Martin, Conca, Ellis.

Syd: Smith, Kennedy, Bird, Jetta, Hannebery, Reid, Johnson, Parker, Rohan.

BL: Leuenberger, Hanley, Hawksley, Zorko, Rockliff, Rich, Banfield, Redden, Beams, Karnezis, Green.

Here are 9 sides for comparison, I offer no judgement - only the belief that our 24 year olds and under stack up to more sides than you might think.

I don't agree with that at all. We have a decent base of kids. And I didn't say they were the best - I merely implied that they are not a mirror of our current ladder position.

Coll: Pendlebury, Dawes, Wellingham, Brown, Reid, Beams, Blair, Sidebottom, and Fasolo.

Haw: Puopulo, Birchall, Suckling, Smith, Stratton, Rioli, Whitecross, Savage, Breust, Gunston, Shiels.

Ess: Hocking, Ryder, Gumbleton, Jetta, Crameri, Hardingham, Hooker, Howlett, Reimers, Myers, Bellchambers, Zaharakis, Pears, Hurley, Malksham, Heppell.

WB: Addison, Higgins, Grant, Wood, Roughhead, Jones, Libba, Dahlhaus, Wallis

StK: Milera, McEvoy, Armitage, Geary, Steven, Stanley, Cripps, Saad, Siposs

Carl: Bower, Hampson, Gibbs, Kreuzer, Robinson, Garlett, Henderson, Curnow, Yarran, Lucas.

Rich: Nahas, Grigg, Houli, Edwards, Riewoldt, Rance, Cotchin, Vickery, Martin, Conca, Ellis.

Syd: Smith, Kennedy, Bird, Jetta, Hannebery, Reid, Johnson, Parker, Rohan.

BL: Leuenberger, Hanley, Hawksley, Zorko, Rockliff, Rich, Banfield, Redden, Beams, Karnezis, Green.

Here are 9 sides for comparison, I offer no judgement - only the belief that our 24 year olds and under stack up to more sides than you might think.

rpfc I reckon Collingwood, Hawthorn, Essendon, Sydney and Brisbane are all way better that us.

Those Richmond players are in a different league to the dees

Those Richmond players are in a different league to the dees

Really? We've got no answer for Cotchin, but other than he, Riewoldt and Martin, I think the Richmond list looks bog ordinary.