However, we should have learnt by now that it's not only important that we get players with natural talent but it's how we develop that talent that counts.

Big fat, eff yeah from me...

We do look very accomplished in that area now thankfully.

Three ways this could play out I reckon if we end up with picks 3 & 4.

SCENARIO 1

We're forced to use pick 3 on Viney:

3. Viney

4. Toumpas

13. Dayle Garlett, Ben Kennedy, Shannon Taylor???

26. Maybe a Rory Atkins?

SCENARIO 2

We can get Viney with our 2nd round pick

3. Toumpas

4. Stringer

13. Dayle Garlett, Ben Kennedy, Shannon Taylor???

26. Viney

SCENARIO 3

We let GWS have Viney with pick 2.

3. Toumpas

4. Vlastuin

13. Dayle Garlett, Ben Kennedy, Shannon Taylor???

26. Maybe a Rory Atkins?

Thoughts???

Scenario 3 ... NO WAY IN HELL. Jack Viney and MFC should commit - NO MATTER WHAT IT TAKES. Send the world the message. He wants to play for us and nowhere else, and we want Jack above all others !!!

Agree with your scenario 1 and 2 ...getting Viney, Toumpas, Gartlett would be a huge boost. Gartlett is liken to Cyril Rioli, maybe better at same age. There you go. And at 24, more likely Sean Lynch, Tom Carter, or Jason Pongrecic.

Vlastuin seems the best of that crop...

We could really use a bona fide clearance winner with a bit of mongrel?

Sounds a lot like moloney but goes harder, could well shame a few of the blokes into going harder

I'd like us to try to pick up a hard at it mid like Vlastuin, hopefully with our midround comp pick

I'm starting to waver on Boak as I read of the Talent about in the 1st Rnd. Unless we can get Boak with a direct trade of players?

I like the sound of Wines after reading up & also Stringer, or *Hogan

Wines + Stringer + Vlastuin would be Dandy from the 1st Rnd.

Wines + Stringer + Vlastuin would be Dandy from the 1st Rnd

if you had pick 5,6,7 yes (!!!)

1-Whitfield 2- Grundy 3- Viney 4- Toumpas 5- Stringer 6- Wines 7 - Vlastin 8- Mayes 9- Menzel 10-Plowman 11- Kennedy

so its at #12 Gartlett as best option clearly.

AND at pick 24 Jason Pongracic ... Dandenong Stingrays

Latest news on Pongracic

The 18-year-old co-captain of the Dandenong Stingrays has been named in the latest Australian Institute of Sport intake for under-18s.

The year 12 student is performing a juggling act of maintaining his studies at Koo Wee Rup Secondary College, football training during the week and playing competitively at the weekend. “It’s pretty hard to balance at times,” he said. But the Cranbourne teen, who would love to be drafted by Collingwood, makes use of his spare periods during school hours to catch up on his homework.

Stingrays coach Graeme Yeates called Pongracic “your classic on-ball, hard-at-the-footy type”. “He’s got a big, strong body and craves a contest,” Yeates said.

Pongracic, who is also part of the Vic Metro team currently competing at the AFL U18 National Championships, is hoping he’ll be drafted to his beloved Collingwood Magpies this year, but would gladly move to any club that recruited him.

Well that's a relief.

For a second there I thought every other club would need to leave him for Collingwood.

Wines + Stringer + Vlastuin would be Dandy from the 1st Rnd

if you had pick 5,6,7 yes (!!!)

1-Whitfield 2- Grundy 3- Viney 4- Toumpas 5- Stringer 6- Wines 7 - Vlastin 8- Mayes 9- Menzel 10-Plowman 11- Kennedy

so its at #12 Gartlett as best option clearly.

I think the better ball users will go higher than raw toughness, so I rate Viney around 6th-ish.

I wouldn't be surprised to see GWS pass Grundy for a ready made Mid who has the build to go, so Toumpas or Wines I can imagine @ GWS or even @ the Suns. They need 'ready to trot' players.

Whitfield & Grundy may slip a rung or 3.

Heres hoping anyway.

# Toumpas I had in my head as a small (176cm), until your post.

jack martin anyone

Oli Wines, a close friend of the Viney's is the closest to Martin type in this draft. however, Martin maybe a longer kick.Wines will go top 15 IMO, may go earlier.

I think you are going to eat your words, diesel.

Jack Viney will be great.

I totally agree with you for the first time ever.And by the way, he will play this Wednesday and show why he is worth a Pick as No.1,2 or 3. He is a beauty .

Whitfield had a shocker on Friday against Metro,he'd want to show more on Wednesday.

Maybe GWS will "let" Gold Coast win in round 20 to secure pick 1 and take Grundy,they seriously need him with Bogan on the way out.

Our best case scenario would be Grundy @ pick 3 and Viney @ pick 22 ish.Grundy will slot right in when Russian finishes and Gawn is an unknown quantity at this stage.

I'd still be happy with Viney and Grundy at picks 3 & 4.

For anyone interested, I tweeted Emma Quayle; the draft expert today and she replied saying that if the draft was held today with no exemptions or F/S, Jack would certainly be drafted in the top 10.