That's a question we can only speculate on without knowing the dynamics of the playing list, but I'd say that given that the LG is playing group selected and the playing group shunned Sylvia and Moloney, I'd say the young players are not expecting to learn much from them.

Then, if they are not performing on-field, what is their value?

Please explain off field issues for Moloney.....

There was the binge drinking episode last year for a start.

Then there may be things that are not in the public domain and it would be unfair to bring up here if that's the case.

Then, if they are not performing on-field, what is their value?

Let's give them some more time under Neeld before they're chopped

We're not trading them mid season, so at least give them a chance to perform

Sylvia had a fractured back, comes back round 5 as sub, and his next game against the cats at KP (which was never going to be an easy game)

Moloney played round 1 when clearly he shouldn't have, he was obviously struggling with injury, misses 2 weeks and comes back in the midst of our horror draw

I just don't think we can be so quick to flush 300 games of experience (and lets be honest, they are both at least good players) when we have so few experienced mature bodies

There was the binge drinking episode last year for a start.

Then there may be things that are not in the public domain and it would be unfair to bring up here if that's the case.

The binge drinking episode was the biggest load of horsepoop I have ever seen

Firstly, complete lies were told about Moloney pissing on a bar, he was vindicated for this

Honestly, I was furious at the club when they took the VC of him, it was a non issue for mine

And don't imply [censored] like you just have with your second sentence, ludicrous

Paul Roos showed some vision during On The Couch of beamer not adhering to defensive structures at stoppages. Three times he followed the ball selfishly, not paying any respect to his opponent who subsequently got the clearance on each occasion. Considering Mark Neeld is trying to introduce a rigid and defensive game style centred around stoppages, it seems beamer needs to work on his natural tendency to get every clearance himself.

I feel like beamer is the antithesis of Mark Neeld's gameplan. In saying that, he does have a bluey so if he can become more defensively-orientated there should definitely be a future for him in the team.

Paul Roos showed some vision during On The Couch of beamer not adhering to defensive structures at stoppages. Three times he followed the ball selfishly, not paying any respect to his opponent who subsequently got the clearance on each occasion. Considering Mark Neeld is trying to introduce a rigid and defensive game style centred around stoppages, it seems beamer needs to work on his natural tendency to get every clearance himself.

I feel like beamer is the antithesis of Mark Neeld's gameplan. In saying that, he does have a bluey so if he can become more defensively-orientated there should definitely be a future for him in the team.

Bingo.

And a team like Essendon would see his worth as much higher than even we would.

Time to cash in before it is too late.

Bingo.

And a team like Essendon would see his worth as much higher than even we would.

Time to cash in before it is too late.

So I put the same question to you as I did WYF Who do you want/think we would get back from the bombers?????

Paul Roos showed some vision during On The Couch of beamer not adhering to defensive structures at stoppages. Three times he followed the ball selfishly, not paying any respect to his opponent who subsequently got the clearance on each occasion.

Garry Lyon on Footy Classified showed McKenzie and Sellar doing the same thing. It's a definite team issue, but Moloney as an experienced senior player should be 'getting it' even more than the others.

The binge drinking episode was the biggest load of horsepoop I have ever seen.

I personally didn't like the way the matter was publicly handled, but Moloney himself stared into TV cameras and confessed a binge drinking problem.

Hardly 'horsepoop'.

I personally didn't like the way the matter was publicly handled, but Moloney himself stared into TV cameras and confessed a binge drinking problem.

Hardly 'horsepoop'.

It felt like he was railroaded into it for mine

It felt like he was railroaded into it for mine

Railroaded ? maybe nudged to step up to the plate and man up to his stuff up...possibly. But you stuff up..you wear it !! surely

witch hunt moloney it's a joke

Getting rid of James Mac and Brad Miller was the biggest mistake we made.

Senior players / leaders are key !! Brad was no star but what he was was a brilliant clubman and set a standard on the track. He would always encourage the younger brigade. Tell me how's our kids development gone this last two years !! Enough said ....

So I put the same question to you as I did WYF Who do you want/think we would get back from the bombers?????

I'd be happy with Slattery.

Moloney is and has proven himself B & F and regular season input , Sylvias flash n pan style is starting to lose it 4 me, contrary to the other 97% that don't agree with this in the poll... You wanna know something.... this is not a bad post contrary to others believing it's a ridiculous suggestion to even put u p for discussion. EOY will decide Sylvias fate whilst we need, long term , proven experience not 'Snr Players' that either don't turn up to play, who are injury prone or are seldom brilliant!!

Railroaded ? maybe nudged to step up to the plate and man up to his stuff up...possibly. But you stuff up..you wear it !! surely

What stuff up? Getting on the [censored]?

If some moron hadn't have rung Eddie on MMM and made up some BS that Beamer had [censored] on the bar, this would've been a non issue

The fact he lost the VC for this was a disgrace and to me it seemed as though to justify losing the VC, the club made him get up and repent his 'sins'

What stuff up? Getting on the [censored]?

If some moron hadn't have rung Eddie on MMM and made up some BS that Beamer had [censored] on the bar, this would've been a non issue

The fact he lost the VC for this was a disgrace and to me it seemed as though to justify losing the VC, the club made him get up and repent his 'sins'

NO. It was still an issue.

This wasn't a PR problem - it was a culture problem.

And it couldn't continue to go on like it was.

If I was working at the club and knew about it, I'd call triple M myself.

Be the catalyst for change.

You assume this was a one-off incident.

NO. It was still an issue.

This wasn't a PR problem - it was a culture problem.

And it couldn't continue to go on like it was.

If I was working at the club and knew about it, I'd call triple M myself.

Be the catalyst for change.

You assume this was a one-off incident.

And told a complete and utter lie?

It's Time we worked on clearing the decks of the old storm damaged wood.

Sorting the Dysfunctional Culture waits for No Man.

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The top 5 eldest, should be looked at to finish asap, & many would get a good contract elsewhere.

Out of this group of 5, I'd prefer to keep the Russian.

But we do need space in the side Now for players like Gawn, Fitzpatrick, Martin & Spencer to get gametime, as they get ready for opportunities.

Sylvia & Rivers should stay on.

Green & Joel Mac are on their way out,so we can't afford to lose them.

Neeld should have time to work out who fits in with his attitude and game plan.

Beamer may be struggling at this time but so is everyone. Cale Morton is showing the signs we want

Nathan Jones is showing signs of an elite player after being a forum whipping boy for years.

Who knows with Col he's been seriously injured for 6 weeks.

Our team improvement from the horrible Brisbane game to the last few has been exponential.

Remember the calls for blood when Geelong and Sydney were playing purely defensive footy and looking totally inept in the forward line.

Also as an aside I think that if Neeld had been coach at the time Miller and Junior would still be at the club.

And told a complete and utter lie?

If it was the catalyst for change, yeah, why not?

The truth will out.

If it was the catalyst for change, yeah, why not?

The truth will out.

In the media fishbowl that footballers live in, I just don't believe his behaviour would go unnoticed / unreported for so long if it was as bad as you are eluding to

In the media fishbowl that footballers live in, I just don't believe his behaviour would go unnoticed / unreported for so long if it was as bad as you are eluding to

Well you should.

Well you should.

No offense, but on the back of what?

An anon internet poster I wouldn't know if I fell over in the st?