WYL, if you expect Moloney to carve up the Hawthorn midfield you are expecting way too much of one man. Moloney needs alot of help from his midfield 'just' to be competative. You are right about, if Moloney is our best midfielder we are in trouble. He is our best midfielder and we are in trouble. If Moloney was our 4th or 5th best midfielder he would be very valuable and we would be a finals team

Im not sure why a forward like Watts would be better off playing on the 3rd best defender with the inclusion of Clark and a potentially dangerous forward like Martin/Sellar like was touted pre-season, and Moloney would not be better off not being tagged with 3 to 4 better midfielders taking the pressure off him..

Moloney is very good footballer, and he should not be the best mid fielder in a team. He is what he is and is still important to our make up and the development of the young ones. Just like Magner is important and he has only played 5 games

No i do not expect Beamer to beat Hawthorn at all. He won't. But many supporters are still waiting for it. It won't happen. That is my point.

Those aren't facts PSD.

We should have not pinched a flag between 00-06, we were never the best team or had the best list. Daniher got a lot out his teams, with limited resources.

If you feel the need to pot White, go ahead, but you obviously didn't see the Dogs game if you're comparing his effort to Jordan McMahon's. He was a bloody good player, shorter than Jack Watts, and should not be compared to Travis Johnstone as lazy, an unfulfilled talent and an underserved selection.

1) They are facts watch the game Cats v Dees 05 elimination final, it was reckless by King and an accident, in no way did White do anything brave, he was unlucky

2)Okay I'm just guessing then I didn't see the game your referring to!!!!!!!!!!! off course I saw the game and remember it well but that is one game and he didn't win it alone. From memory we won the last three to make finals that year after once again promising so much only to fall into a whole

3) I never said White wasn't a good player he was but he could have been great

Edited May 6, 201213 yr by Pennant St Dee

1) They are facts watch the game Cats v Dees 05 elimination final, it was reckless by King and an accident, in no way did White do anything brave, he was unlucky

2)Okay I'm just guessing then I didn't see the game your referring to!!!!!!!!!!! off course I saw the game and remember it well but that is one game and he didn't win it alone.  From memory we won the last three to make finals that year after once again promising so much only to fall into a whole

White was over paid and added nothing in his last 3 years other than force the departure of one of the best ruckman to leave

3) I never said White wasn't a good player he was but he could have been great

1) They are facts watch the game Cats v Dees 05 elimination final, it was reckless by King and an accident, in no way did White do anything brave, he was unlucky

2)Okay I'm just guessing then I didn't see the game your referring to!!!!!!!!!!! off course I saw the game and remember it well but that is one game and he didn't win it alone. From memory we won the last three to make finals that year after once again promising so much only to fall into a whole

3) I never said White wasn't a good player he was but he could have been great

I can also remember White running through the centre providing an option and being ignored

Structure or strategy I didnt know

But it sure was frustrating as a supporter and must have been for him as well

I think he was a good player whio wasnt able to show how he could be great

hopefully we have a more flexible and astute coaching team able to use all the talents of all the players to give us not just improvement but reward