I can't believe people have included Martin, he was a spud on Saturday, couldn't hang onto marks miss timed his leaps only had it 8 times.

My 4 Magner, Watts, Tynan and Bate(he had it 10 times in a quarter and was effective at stopages)

Bottom four Rivers, Green, Moloney and Davey you four should hang your heads in shame, if you don't want to put your head over the footy and have a crack we are not your pension cheque, go play reserves at Casey not league VFL reserves I would rather develope players that want to play for our club.

We're looking here for 'benchmark', not 'best players' although they could be the same. Because it's 'benchmark' it may vary for each player depending on the coach's expectations. So what would likely benchmarks be? For Magner it might be contested possession; for Watts it might be metres covered; for Bate it might be possessions gained in one quarter; for Tynan it might be minutes on the ground. And if they are their benchmarks, they might each have met theirs.

But I wonder what the benchmarks were for the other 18 players Neeld didn't like and where they failed. Now that would be interesting. .

We're looking here for 'benchmark', not 'best players' although they could be the same.

I would say that the four benchmark players would be Jones who is the only player who consistently gives his all - only one deserving of inclusion in the leadership group on Saturday's performance, Magner who is showing a few much more highly regarded players how it should be done, Watts who responded well to the criticism and "demotion", and Trengove.